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Reading the old Ayoob files

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by deen_ad, Oct 10, 2013.

  1. deen_ad

    deen_ad Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    Even he, back in 1989, was using the term "assault rifles". He used this in his description of "The FBI Miami Shootout" in his column for Jan-Feb 1989 in American Handgunner.


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  2. clambo

    clambo Vancouver, Wa. Well-Known Member

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    Greatest self promoter since P.T. Barnum. Finest gunfighter that's never been in a gunfight. Expert in all things and teacher of many things. Demigod to many. However, Im not a fan. He got his " experience " out of books, same as me. Reserve cop in a one horse town does not count as much as the many, many thousands of guys currently on the street with genuine armed combat experience, i.e. middle east, afghanistan. He pimps whatever makes him money. Of course Im a jealous nobody Im told, so why listen to me? People generally get upset when I dont speak favorably about him. I just dont see why everyone is so impressed by him.
     
  3. Certaindeaf

    Certaindeaf SE Portland Well-Known Member

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    What a goob. the original nutnfartsy
     
  4. Dave Workman

    Dave Workman Western Washington Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Well, he's a personal friend of mine, I just wrote the foreword to his book about the Trayvon Martin case, and I'd go down a dark alley or through a door with him anytime. We've shot together, broken bread together and he has an incredibly keen sense for evidence and detail. I've heard the stuff before that you're saying. If you ever get charged in a shooting, you'd bless his butt if he came to your defense.
     
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    Sstrand La Grande OR Well-Known Member

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    Are you referring to armed combat experience against an unarmed mother?

    Sheldon
     
  6. deen_ad

    deen_ad Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    I'd sure want him on my team on the ground or in court!


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  7. Nick Burkhardt

    Nick Burkhardt NE Oregon Well-Known Member

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    The best gunfight is the one you can avoid. Sounds successful to me. He teaches a lot of situational awareness and information about the legal consequences of your actions. IMHO his advise is more valuable than many of the "fool rush in" hot heads on youtube.
     
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  8. Browncoat

    Browncoat Clackamas, Or. Member

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    Massad Ayoob's association with The Armed Citizens Legal Defense Network is one of the main reasons I maintain a membership.
    Jim
     
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  9. Misterbill

    Misterbill Yakima County, Washington New Member

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    Yep, it's true. One of the most sought-after professional witnesses in the country, the guy who was doing the hard work of ESTABLISHING good techniques and equipment for civilian self-defense before a lot of people reading this were born, A guy who TODAY, is sought after by the best trainers in the business I know of, the guy who has been a reserve police officer longer than a lot of our regular posters have been sucking air has, on occasion, been wrong.

    Yep, what a goober. It's all been hype for over 30 years. He's NEVER had a valid thing to say. He doesn't understand the realities of self-defense law either. -That's why the TX Bar Association Firearms Law forum just had him as a guest speaker. Along with defense lawyers involved in self-defense from about every major organization you can name.

    Yep, it's all bunkum. Thank god for helpful comments like this from REAL experts who are so widely recognized in the field.
     
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    U201494 Well-Known Member

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    I have met him and he is a genuine human being. Completely unpretentious.

    You just convinced me.

    Because your remarks wreak of jealousy and probably because he is everything you're not. It may be quite cliché but I'd wager that you would have to improve just to be a pimple on his butt.
     
  11. Diamondback

    Diamondback A cold, wet green Hell Well-Known Member

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    I've dealt with Mas in personal correspondence, and he's given me a lot of valuable advice in developing my own defense plans while asking in return only that I share what I learn with others, as he in turn benefited from people like Jeff Cooper and Bill Jordan giving of their own knowledge.

    Like Dave, even though mine has been entirely e-mail and various gun-boards, I consider it a privilege to call the man a friend and mentor, and for those who recall my "break-in wake-up call" earlier this year I credit some of the lessons I learned from him for the success of my response.
     
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    U201491 Well-Known Member

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    I read In the Gravest Extreme and The Truth about Self Defense.
    Both were excellent and Intelligently written.
    He was up at Tri County a few years ago. A good man all the way around.
     
  13. taylor

    taylor Willamette Valley Well-Known Member

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    Isn't this like in high school arguing about who's the best guitar player? it's real simple take what you can use from him, what will benefit you and forget about his pedigree or where he ranks on the hierarchy of 'modern gunslingers'.
     
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  14. Misterbill

    Misterbill Yakima County, Washington New Member

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    Not really. The OP mentioned that Mas had used the term "Assault Rifle." An interesting tidbit.

    The next poster alluded that the guy is a total fraud. -A slander on a good man who's fought the hard fight for decades.

    The rest have been calling B.S. on that guy.

    Who's best, Pinkus or Ayoob or whoever, wasn't even mentioned. We were just calling out the ridiculousness of a slander on a good man. I've had occasional disagreements with Mas Ayoob. I think he's been flat wrong in some cases. But to call the guy a fraud? Ya, people are gonna take serious issue with that one.
     
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    U201491 Well-Known Member

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    Finally some intelligence :)
    But Massad Ayob has been in the fight longer than most here and has actually accomplished very good things.
    I will take him at my back anytime.

    The entire argument is azzenine.