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Rand Paul - Allow Firearms at Post Offices

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by RicInOR, Jan 30, 2014.

  1. RicInOR

    RicInOR Washington County Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    "Paul said his gun rights amendment would allow licensed gun owners to carry weapons inside post offices, rather than having to unholster them and keep them in the car. Guns are banned in federal buildings, including post offices."

    Warning
    source is MSNBC
    Paul targets 'Post Office Gun Ban' | MSNBC
     
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  2. deen_ad

    deen_ad Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    Yep, typical MSNBC trash "reporting"! :nuts:
     
  3. ZA_Survivalist

    ZA_Survivalist Oregon AK's all day.

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    However, the Post Office isn't a Federal entity.. Its a united postal service and what we buy stamps for. Granted its protected by Federal law its not a genuine Federal Property otherwise UPS, FED EX, DHL and various messenger boys could claim the same federal protection.
     
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  4. tiggers97

    tiggers97 United States Well-Known Member

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    I'd rather revocation of a few executive orders instead. Those M1's in South Korea need to come home!
     
  5. Dunke

    Dunke Rogue Valley Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    The Post Office is a Federal entity and its property is federal property. It's just not funded by appropriated funds (Taxes).

     
  6. ZA_Survivalist

    ZA_Survivalist Oregon AK's all day.

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    Proof?
    Other than federal law protecting them?
    They aren't a government agency.

    Ill hold that opinion until proven otherwise.
     
  7. Dunke

    Dunke Rogue Valley Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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  8. Blitzkrieg

    Blitzkrieg WA Well-Known Member

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    No one tells me I must be helpless, no one. Also the USPS is a private contracted entity. This argument has been a flame war on many forums.. you choose what is important to you
     
  9. 1337BaldEagle

    1337BaldEagle Earth Active Member

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    My understanding is that "defined by statute, independent establishment from the federal government" is to mean only that "these agencies exist out of the federal executive departments" meaning, "while constitutionally part of the executive branch, [they] are independent of presidential control, usually because the president's power to dismiss the agency head or a member is limited." Just my understanding.
     
  10. Blitzkrieg

    Blitzkrieg WA Well-Known Member

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    Like I said, these threads go on and on.. my question is what is your life and what are your families lives worth?
     
  11. 1337BaldEagle

    1337BaldEagle Earth Active Member

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    A lot, I elect to use UPS. :)
     
  12. Darknight

    Darknight Salem Active Member

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    I think what was meant was no handguns on or in usps property or buildings including in your car on the property. Of course all other federal property is covered by federal law as well, but USPS is the discussion. I don't agree with the stupid law either, but then again I don't feel like spending time in a federal prison; So I use alternative contract carriers to ship stuff. It's just too bad USPS will never go broke enough to get rid of them.
     
  13. RicInOR

    RicInOR Washington County Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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  14. Redcap

    Redcap Lewis County, WA Well-Known Member

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    I carry in the post office. IDGAF.
     
  15. Nwcid

    Nwcid Yakima and N of Spokane Well-Known Member

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    What Federal Law covers it? What EXACTLY does it say about firearms? Does it matter on what kind of Federal property?
     
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  16. Darknight

    Darknight Salem Active Member

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    Title 39: Postal Service
    §232.1 Conduct on postal property

    (l) Weapons and explosives. Notwithstanding the provisions of any other law, rule or regulation, no person while on postal property may carry firearms, other dangerous or deadly weapons, or explosives, either openly or concealed, or store the same on postal property, except for official purposes.
     
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    Darknight Salem Active Member

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  18. Nwcid

    Nwcid Yakima and N of Spokane Well-Known Member

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    Yes, you got the part for the USPS. But that is such a poorly worded an vague law and that is where the problems come in. How are we able to ship long arms and FFL holders able to ship pistols? How about LEO on USPS property? They are not specific exemptions, which are things most laws have. Also what is the definition of "official purposes"?

    You said other Federal Property also though;

    But it is NOT illegal to carry on Federal property. Just one example of that would be many hunters going to jail for hunting on say Forest Service property.
     
  19. 1337BaldEagle

    1337BaldEagle Earth Active Member

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    So, my understanding it is buildings. Notwithstanding the Postal Code seems to have taken that further.
     
  20. bzltyr

    bzltyr Portland Metro area Active Member

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    Who cares. I carry in post office all the time