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Quick question on loading .45 ACP

Discussion in 'Ammunition & Reloading' started by Bing, Mar 27, 2015.

  1. Bing

    Bing Salem (Independence) Member

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    Is there a reason Lee Loader doesn't include a flaring tool or a crimping tool when all the Lee presses do? Is it possible crimping isn't as important in a semi auto as it is in a revolver? My .357 Magnum and 38 Special Lee Loader kits include crimping and flaring tools.

    jim
     
  2. Classic

    Classic Federal Way WA Well-Known Member

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    The 45 acp bullet isn't tapered (or a boat tail). You have to flare the case mouth a little just to get the bullet in the case. Personally I flare as little as possible. As for crimping I have used the Dillon tapered crimp die and the Lee Factory Crimp die with the Lee being my preference. When I switch to Lee the "bangs" were noticeably louder and the groupings were tighter. Ya gotta crimp
     
  3. Gun Mechanic

    Gun Mechanic Portland Active Member

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    What Classic said.
     
  4. Bing

    Bing Salem (Independence) Member

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    Aren't you guys talking about a Press? I'm referring to the Lee Loader (hand loader), and wondering why they don't feel flaring or crimping is necessary in this kit. I ruined two cases trying to start a bullet with no flare, so I went to my lathe and machined my own flaring tool. It works great and the design won't allow too much flare. I also bought a small arbor press from Harbor Freight and eliminated all the hammering. Before I got it set up I set off a primer in the stupid priming cup. Scared the crap out of me. Now I have a Lee hand primer which works great.
     
  5. deadeye

    deadeye Albany,OR. Moderator Staff Member

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  6. Steve M

    Steve M Beaverton, OR Well-Known Member

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    Well, it'll be just the ticket for revolvers with moon clips and bolt actions 45's. I think this is more likely an error on their web designer's part in copy & paste from the rifle info pages. It also seems an error on their part to not include a means to add a slight flare. From what I read online the 38/357 kit does have a flaring tool.
     
  7. AMProducts

    AMProducts Maple Valley, WA Jerk, Ammo Manufacturer Silver Supporter

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    The Lee Reloader should have included the flaring tool, perhaps your kit was incomplete.
     
  8. Bing

    Bing Salem (Independence) Member

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    I called Midway to advise them my kit was incomplete, no flaring tool, and was told there is no flaring tool nor a crimping die in the Lee Loader (or Classic Loader if you please) 45 ACP kit. The neck sizing statement has no bearing here. And I load 38/357 rounds and there is a flaring tool in each kit and the sizing die will add a taper crimp using the "funnel" end. I wonder why they include flaring and crimping in their Lee Single Stage press and not the hand loader.
     
  9. noylj

    noylj high desert Active Member

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    Call Lee and ask them. They know how their kit is supposed to be used.
     
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  10. Bealzybub

    Bealzybub Portland Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    45acp headspaces on the neck, dont crimp it at all.
     
  11. noylj

    noylj high desert Active Member

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    case mouth...
     
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  12. kod38

    kod38 Keizer, Or Member

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    45 head spaces on case mouth.
    If you crimp do it gradual and test fit a dummy round to your barrel during die set up.
    Some guns don't like to eat everything due to feed ramps etc.
     
  13. Certaindeaf

    Certaindeaf SE Portland Well-Known Member

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    That's pretty interesting/odd. I started my shenanigans with a Lee Loader in 9mm and it had flaring and anti-flaring devices/capability.
    If you are somehow able to clear yourself of that loader in that caliber if that's the case, I'd encourage you to do so. If you want portability, low cost etc., I'd recommend the excellent Lee hand press that uses normal dies.
    Good luck and keep us informed, please.
     
  14. Wayne

    Wayne Near Tacoma Active Member

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    The taper crimp is only used to take out the flare, if you don't flare you don't need to crimp. I would not load lead or plated without flaring first but FMJ should be fine.
    The 38/357 uses a roll crimp, whole different animal.
    * 38/357 can use a taper crimp using plated or a very slight roll crimp.
     
  15. Certaindeaf

    Certaindeaf SE Portland Well-Known Member

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    I don't think you're familiar with the Lee Loader.
     
  16. Wayne

    Wayne Near Tacoma Active Member

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    It was My first loader some 40 years ago, in 357, I might have forgotten a few things.
     
  17. Certaindeaf

    Certaindeaf SE Portland Well-Known Member

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    Well then, I hear you of course. I think the question was asked.. nothing to do with taper crimp dies and whatnots.
     
  18. Wayne

    Wayne Near Tacoma Active Member

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    He had asked about a lack of a crimp die and a flaring tool in his kit that is why I said what I did and why his 357 had it (needing the roll crimp)
     
  19. Certaindeaf

    Certaindeaf SE Portland Well-Known Member

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    Oh I hear you. If Lee is putting them out without flare, de-flare capability, they just should stop.
     
  20. Wayne

    Wayne Near Tacoma Active Member

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    Not sure who you mean by "they" Just saying they are not needed, nice to have, yes but needed no.
    Not sure what your original objection was to my first post, o'well, life goes on.