Puzzled: How do you explain the results of the Garland TX shooting scenario??

[Just Jim]

Here is a good look...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3286745/posts

 

[Sgt Nambu]

What he did as LE doesn't really have any bearing. He may have had some serious previous training and my bet ex military that had seen some stress fights.
Also anyone can be very proficient with a handgun with enough training and practice.
Being a traffic cop or a swat member isn't really a gage of proficiency. He got the job done. Details of his background and the rest will come out in time.
Waiting to see more about how this went down and his background experiences.
Hell it all could have just been sheer luck. Who knows at this point..

An old saying, "Luck's as good as skill in combat!"

 

[U201491]

Here is a good look...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3286745/posts

HE PUSHED FORWARD: Brave Garland Police Officer Advanced As He Brought Down Garland Terrorists(Pics)
<broken link removed> | 5-5-2015 | Bob Owens

Posted on ‎5‎/‎5‎/‎2015‎ ‎8‎:‎50‎:‎33‎ ‎PM by servo1969

More details are beginning to emerge about the incompetent Islamic terrorist attack on a free speech event held by the American Freedom Defense Initiative (AFDI) in Garland, Texas Sunday. Bearing Arms readers have asked for more details about how the actual shooting went down, and about the Garland police officer who used his duty sidearm to defeat two attackers armed with rifles within 15 seconds.
Please keep in mind that we don't have all the details about the attack, the individual officer's response, or the exact steps law enforcement took once the attack began, and that even if we had that information, we would withhold such details which may be useful for any other would-be terrorists attempting future attacks.
That said, we will provide analysis of some key pieces of publicly available information.
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At the point of the attack, the two suspects apparently drove up and opened fire upon an unarmed security guard who was accompanied by a 60-year-old Garland police officer. The unarmed guard was struck the volley of gunfire. The veteran Garland officer then drew his duty-issue Glock pistol and opened fire on the suspects.
The officer killed one terrorist and wounded the other in his initial volley of return fire. Witnesses claim there was a brief pause, and then the officer fire two more shots to kill the still-moving terrorist as he appears to be reaching for a backpack. The entire event lasted 15 seconds, with heavily-armed Garland SWAT converging on the scene immediately afterward.
We're not going to mention any more about the officer who took out these terrorists, only that to give an idea of his approximate position in relation to the terrorists as he engaged them.

The evidence markers at the bottom of the photo above show us a remarkable story, as they denote the final locations of the shell casings ejected from the officer's Glock duty pistol. While every pistol is different from another in its ejection pattern, and the movement of the officer and the cant of his gun precludes us from knowing exactly where he was, there, is a distinct trial of shells showing that the officer was moving forward from the bottom left of the photo above towards the terrorists at the rear of the vehicle. He appears to have opened fire from 20 yards away, and fired at least a dozen shots by the time he reached an area near the traffic cones, roughly 7-10 yards from where the terrorists died.
Second photo taken from the opposite angle (below) seems to confirm this determined officer's advance on the terrorists while firing.
Note: the damage to the vehicle driven by the terrorists was from controlled demolitions from EOD units ensuring that the car was not a VBIED (vehicle-borne improvised explosive device).

There seems to be a great deal of skepticism regarding whether or not the suspects were wearing body armor and whether they were armed with "automatic weapons" or "assault rifles" or something else entirely. Other photos from the crime scene suggest answers to those questions as well.

In the image above, we have drawn an orange rectangle around what appears to be blood-drenched halves of a soft body armor carrier worn by one of the terrorists. Most people don't seem to grasp that there are multiple grades of soft body armor, that these materials degrade over time, and that the armor panels themselves do not often cover the entire torso, leaving gaps under the arms, below the ribs, and at the neck.
We simply don't know if the officer's bullets compromised the armor or went around the armor panels, but it is quite clear that there was soft body armor worn by at least one of the terrorists, and that it did not prevent him from being quickly taken out of of the fight.
Did the terrorists have "automatic weapons" as some mainstream media outlets initially claimed?
The media claim of "automatic weapons" or "machine guns" is always to be discounted until positively affirmed beyond the shadow of a doubt by firearms experts (not law enforcement public information officers), simply based on how difficult it is to obtain automatic weapons in the United States.

What we do have is two separate images that appear to show long guns recovered at the scene. We've taken part of the image above and flipped it vertically below in an effort to better determine what we're looking at.


It isn't anything we immediately recognize, though we can say for certain that it doesn't appear to be any centerfire variant or an AR-15 or AKM. While the photo we have to work with is frankly horrible, our best guess is that The firearm we're looking at is a most likely <broken link removed> , a popular and inexpensive pistol caliber carbine shown below.

Partially obscured behind evidence marker 34 is what appears to be a firearm with an AR-15-type front sight post, but the quality of the image and amount of the gun covered by the evidence marker make it impossible to tell what we're really looking at.
Is this a legitimate centerfire AR-15? Is this a rimfire copy? Is this an airgun, designed to look enough like an AR-15 to win a jihadi his martyrdom?
Frankly, I'm tempted to think that we're looking at a "faux-15″ martyrdom special or a .22 clone, considering we've not be able to track down credible reports of the distinctively different reports of a centerfire rifle fire, and the confirmed Glock pistol-fire from the Garland officer.

We're not ruling out the possibility that this was a centerfire AR-15 recovered at the scene, we're simply noting that there wasn't much evidence suggesting it was able to be brought into play by the terrorists.
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No matter how you break down the details, this was an incredible display of bravery and marksmanship by this 30+ year veteran of the Garland Police Department, who not only resisted the natural urge to create distance between yourself and rifle-armed assailants, but who appears to have done precisely the opposite, and who advanced while firing accurately, bringing the attack to a swift conclusion without a single additional casualty once he brought his weapon to bear.
Determined people with good training and a decent handgun can indeed defeat the most zealous fanatic.
Get out there and train folks. Maybe one day it will be your turn to be the one standing on the line defending liberty from savagery.
Update: We'd like to thank Kaitian for finding a higher resolution image of the SUB-2000 used in the attack, which we've swapped out in the story above.

 

[The Heretic]

From the article above, I would say it was less about what the LEO was shooting than about his bravery and skill. I would anticipate that the results probably would have been the same whether he was shooting with a 9MM Glock, a .40 S&W Glock or a .45 ACP Glock.

Do not discount training, skill, experience, bullet placement and aggressiveness.

Also, do not discount a grizzled old veteran - they've been there, done that.

 

[spookshack]

"Don't mess with Texas"!

 

[U8395279]

Amazing. A single 60 year old man defeats two men in their early 30's I guess that old geezers can still shoot.

I'm a bit surprised that he is still on the job at age 60, though. Don't most police officers retire in their 50's?

The latest press reports are still saying that two AK-47's were used. How can the press be so mistaken and inaccurate?

It makes one wonder if we can really trust anything that we hear in the news. Are we perhaps being told what the media wants to tell us? They would not deliberately lie to us, would they?

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[U8395279]

An ISIS spokesman posted a message online today claiming the following:

"We have 71 trained soldiers in 15 different states ready at our word to attack any target we desire. Out of the 71 trained soldiers, 23 have signed up for missions like Sunday, We are increasing in number, with the permission of Allah. Of the 15 states, 5 we will name... Virginia, Maryland, Illinois, California, and Michigan. "

So they are boasting that they will be attacking again soon.

They are also claiming that the terrorists were highly trained:

"The disbelievers who shot our brothers think that you killed someone untrained, nay, they gave you their bodies in plain view because we were watching."

He also says that the object of the attack was actually to show the world how easily ISIS followers will give their lives to Allah. They are saying that was their only objective, which they certainly accomplished.

"We knew that the target was protected. Our intention was to show how easy we give our lives for the Sake of Allah."

So in other words, I guess they feel that they cannot be defeated, since they are so very eager to die. But does that really make any sense at all?? Sounds like a bunch of utter nonsense to me.

Here is a link to a copy of the entire statement from ISIS:

http://justpaste.it/Anonymous90

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[jbett98]

Here's a security guard at work guarding an internet cafe, when three armed wannabe robbers bust in on him.
Looks like he had some prior training and didn't hesitate to draw and fire.

 

[U8395279]

Here is an ABC News affiliate consulting "Gun Experts" at a local indoor shooting range and gun store. They describe the performance of the officer as being "an amazing feat".

<broken link removed>

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[U8395279]

Here is a photo that I found of the Kel-Tec:

 

[U8395279]

They also had a can of Planters Walnuts:

 

[Certaindeaf]

It looks as though they were fond of numbered placards also. Diabolical.

 

[The Heretic]

An ISIS spokesman posted a message online today claiming the following:

"We have 71 trained soldiers in 15 different states ready at our word to attack any target we desire. Out of the 71 trained soldiers, 23 have signed up for missions like Sunday, We are increasing in number, with the permission of Allah. Of the 15 states, 5 we will name... Virginia, Maryland, Illinois, California, and Michigan. "

So they are boasting that they will be attacking again soon.

They are also claiming that the terrorists were highly trained:

"The disbelievers who shot our brothers think that you killed someone untrained, nay, they gave you their bodies in plain view because we were watching."

He also says that the object of the attack was actually to show the world how easily ISIS followers will give their lives to Allah. They are saying that was their only objective, which they certainly accomplished.

"We knew that the target was protected. Our intention was to show how easy we give our lives for the Sake of Allah."


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The spin of a "leader".

So, if this is typical of their training then the rest should be just as easy to get rid of.

Let the Jihad commence! The sooner they start, the sooner we can rid the country of this scum.

Message to ISIS: Bring a lunch

 

[Sstrand]

Isn't interesting how muslims allow ISIS to give the religion a bad name yet they condemn others for "profiling!!!!

Sheldon

 

[Certaindeaf]

Remember what Cooper taught for decades.. don't be puzzled. Be mentally prepared and when a given thing happens, you say, "Aha!, I saw that coming (color/awareness spectrum) and I know exactly what to do".. and then do it as "it" evolves/unfolds in its fluid, given continuum. Don't be puzzled.
It seems that this gent was not.

 

[U201491]

The spin of a "leader".

So, if this is typical of their training then the rest should be just as easy to get rid of.

Let the Jihad commence! The sooner they start, the sooner we can rid the country of this scum.

Message to ISIS: Bring a lunch

Don't underestimate them. These two were incompetent the majority are seasond fighters and pretty much brain dead committed to martyr themselves and that makes them very dangerous. Never let our guards down with those animals.
There is not much evil that they will not commit to get their 72 camels..

 

[The Heretic]

Don't underestimate them. These two were incompetent the majority are seasond fighters and pretty much brain dead committed to martyr themselves and that makes them very dangerous. Never let our guards down with those animals.
There is not much evil that they will not commit to get their 72 camels..

They may be trained and experienced in Iraq, but here?

I doubt it. What they have here in the USA is a bunch of nutjobs who are at least delusional.

 

[jbett98]

A suicide car bomb set off by one of these nut jobs would worry me more.

 

[Certaindeaf]

A suicide car bomb set off by one of these nut jobs would worry me more.

Oh you, they would never do that.. they being the fine riflemen that they are! just silly talk

 

[40calruler]

Amazing. A single 60 year old man defeats two men in their early 30's I guess that old geezers can still shoot.

I'm a bit surprised that he is still on the job at age 60, though. Don't most police officers retire in their 50's?

The latest press reports are still saying that two AK-47's were used. How can the press be so mistaken and inaccurate?

It makes one wonder if we can really trust anything that we hear in the news. Are we perhaps being told what the media wants to tell us? They would not deliberately lie to us, would they?

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I cannot understand how you can even think you might be able to trust what the media feeds us. Plus some of the toughest SOBs I have met are grizzly tough old men. Do not mistake age for weakness. I would rather have wisdom than the reflexes I had as a kid...Still not very old myself but that is how I feel.

I have no doubt a trained wise old man could do what is reported. He knew not to hesitate and he knew to keep firing as he approached. However it went down the old guy did well and I would not pick a fight with him.