Other State Public concert cancelled over pro gun laws

[Koda]

This should be an interesting discussion....
Why has this not been a problem in the past? Does anyone know if the alleged gun law is new?
Whats the solution to events in public venues?

Music Midtown pulls the plug over Georgia's gun laws, highlighting a legal gray area

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution reports that Music Midtown canceled the annual festival at Piedmont Park because of legal concerns over the organizers' ability to ban guns during the two-day event.

www.npr.org

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[Nick Burkhardt]

My wife and kids ran in to the same thing last month at the county fair grounds

 

[Koda]

My wife and kids ran in to the same thing last month at the county fair grounds

In Oregon? I just went to the Wa Co. fair, no metal detectors at all.

 

[Nick Burkhardt]

The Harefest event was at Clackamas County fairgrounds. You could only bring clear plastic bottles for water refills and clear plastic tote bags like they allow at Seahawks games. Security searched the clear bags and made them unroll their picnic blanket.

 

[SonicBlue03]

WaCo isn't run by retards. That's why.

 

[bradsteen]

My wife and kids ran in to the same thing last month at the county fair grounds

Who the hell calls it a "conceal and carry" permit?

 

[VinnieBoomBah]

The case with the Botanical Gardens has been ping ponging back and forth for around 8 years and just a guess, but I bet insurance coverage was a huge part in the decision

Atlanta Botanical Garden wins right to ban guns from its property - SaportaReport

Read Atlanta Botanical Garden wins right to ban guns from its property by John Ruch for SaportaReport here.

saportareport.com

 

[Stomper]

Who the hell calls it a "conceal and carry" permit?

The same ones who say, "I could care less" instead of, "I couldn't care less"….

 

[Koda]

The case with the Botanical Gardens has been ping ponging back and forth for around 8 years and just a guess, but I bet insurance coverage was a huge part in the decision

Atlanta Botanical Garden wins right to ban guns from its property - SaportaReport

Read Atlanta Botanical Garden wins right to ban guns from its property by John Ruch for SaportaReport here.

saportareport.com

So this has been ongoing for years now, but the NPR article I cited suggested a "recent ruling", Id be curious what that new ruling is.

 

[Stomper]

The case with the Botanical Gardens has been ping ponging back and forth for around 8 years and just a guess, but I bet insurance coverage was a huge part in the decision

Atlanta Botanical Garden wins right to ban guns from its property - SaportaReport

Read Atlanta Botanical Garden wins right to ban guns from its property by John Ruch for SaportaReport here.

saportareport.com

They're only fooling themselves, there'll be concealed handguns at any given time in their stupid little garden regardless.

 

[Nick Burkhardt]

Yeah, my wife said that the clear containers were to keep people from bringing alcohol in. You could buy liquor inside the venue, but only if you had a $200 VIP pass.

She saw that some people did sneak liquor bottles in.

 

[ma96782]

Well, the excuse of Covid was "old". Then I heard, that "monkey pox" was considered. BUT, But, but.......

Nah.



Aloha, Mark

 

[Koda]

The Harefest event was at Clackamas County fairgrounds. You could only bring clear plastic bottles for water refills and clear plastic tote bags like they allow at Seahawks games. Security searched the clear bags and made them unroll their picnic blanket.

unless they were wanding or passing thru a metal detector then it only affects the good guys

 

[VinnieBoomBah]

They're only fooling themselves, there'll be concealed handguns at any given time in their stupid little garden regardless.

Right, but for liability / insurance reasons it would make a difference if they "allowed" the firearms or not. Obligatory IANAL, but because the issue is so convoluted in the courts it *might* even effect the personal liability of the promoters and site staff.

 

[Stomper]

Right, but for liability / insurance reasons it would make a difference if they "allowed" the firearms or not. Obligatory IANAL, but because the issue is so convoluted in the courts it *might* even effect the personal liability of the promoters and site staff.

Long live the lawyers…..


Here's a recent relative video.

 

[VinnieBoomBah]

This is the clearest breakdown on the issue that I have found so far

Atlanta’s Music Midtown Festival Canceled After Court Ruling Made It Illegal to Keep Guns Out of Event

The Music Midtown festival at Piedmont Park in Atlanta has been called off, likely due to loose gun laws in the state of Georgia that prevent gun bans on public property.

www.billboard.com

 

[Koda]

This is the clearest breakdown on the issue that I have found so far

Atlanta’s Music Midtown Festival Canceled After Court Ruling Made It Illegal to Keep Guns Out of Event

The Music Midtown festival at Piedmont Park in Atlanta has been called off, likely due to loose gun laws in the state of Georgia that prevent gun bans on public property.

www.billboard.com

Its all makes sense now.... Emo music.

Good article, it will be Interesting to see how gun rights groups there work out allowing guns at big events, im curious how that could work out for both gun rigbts and public safety.

 

[The Heretic]

 

[Librarian]

Having worked security at an entertainment venue (Live Nation) there are $$$ considerations on bringing stuff in.

Re: alcohol - it is, of course, a profit center for the venue, so they'd rather you buy from them. Also, believe me when I tell you that the alcohol sales people are actually trained to recognize folks who have 'over indulged' and to cut them off as necessary. Working security, I got involved in calming down some of those folks.

And, we refused admittance to patrons obviously under the influence.

Failure to control both incoming alcohol and consumption inside the venue risks loss of the liquor license, as well as lawsuits from drunk folk who get injured.

Re: guns - as most large corps are wont to act, they fear liability; my venue did not allow guns to off-duty LE, much less CCW holders. In 15 years I encountered only 1 off-duty officer who wanted to bring in his gun, and he politely took it to his car when I asked. I also had 1 FBI and 1 SO tell me they had left theirs in their respective vehicles.

As to effectiveness of the prohibition effort, well, we searched bags and the litter on the lawn included enough alcohol containers to wonder why we bothered. We seldom wanded entering patrons, as that requirement was up to the promoters for the show, and it slowed down patron entry. The venue began to use walk-throughs the last year I worked there. But prior to that, I'm sure knives and guns did get in, and probably still do.

The only gun problem I heard of was at a different venue, where one of the credentialed guests of the show took a shot at someone back stage. That induced a procedure change, and show people were doing walk-throughs every time they went out to their travel coaches and returned, AFAIK at all Live Nation venues. Don't know if they're still doing that.

And of course, almost everywhere 'security' is a nice notion, but not a real barrier to anything serious. On a really big show, expected to have some problems, we might have about 200 security staff (our 80 plus borrowed folks plus rentals) for 13,000 patrons and a hundred show people. There also would be about 8 officers from the local PD.

'Policing' really works because the population consents; in the US in 2022 there are about 700,000 sworn officers for about 330 million US residents. Our 80 for ~10,000 worked because people were mostly out to have a good time, not cause trouble.

 

[PiratePast40]

Who the hell calls it a "conceal and carry" permit?

On this forum, the people that use the term are those that have yet to apply for or obtain a permission slip from our overseers. It's essentially people that don't know what it means yet or those that choose to remain ignorant.