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Psychopharmacology, impact on violent crime, and lack of media attention

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by ATCclears, Dec 26, 2012.

  1. ATCclears

    ATCclears Seattle area, WA Well-Known Member

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    There is the original thread here:

    The summary:

    Much has been made of recent mass-killing events. It would be good for the media to dig deeper into psychopharmacology. I'm sure there is significant lobbying and pressure though to NOT report on it since it would negatively impact the huge pharma companies.

    Have a peek at these websites for yourself. Please share with your friends, and perhaps someone here has a higher-level contact in the NRA?

    Index to SSRI Stories


  2. duldej

    duldej Portland Member

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    I wrote a paper on this once, and most of the current, scholarly research points to crimes happening TO those that use drugs, and not with the drug addicts as perpetrators, so the question is still valid... "is there a correlation between drug use and crime?" to which the answer is "yes," but it's not what you might think.

    Take, for example, Joe Blow that is drunk at a bar, and making an *** of himself, and that gets beat-up by another guy at the bar that was itching for a fight. The fight would not have happened if Joe Blow were not A, making an *** of himself, B, being drunk and causing himself to be afraid to call the cops, and C, inable to call upon his friends that could likely blame Joe Blow for being drunk and stupid. Essentially Joe Blow makes a target of himself.

    The psychopharmacological question came about in the 1980's when crack came about. People panicked and thought that crack users were so unpredictable that crime would surely come about because of the crack use. A, it did, but mostly in aforementioned way, and B, People's fear of crime varies independent of the incidence of crime, and is not indicative of the actual crime rates.

    It should be noted, that correlations between drugs and crime appear in the Uniform Crime Report as directly correlated, with high drugs indicating high crime, but that is just statistics, and only tells part of the story. Why that is so, in my opinion, is because drug users make suitable vicitms.
  3. Burt Gummer

    Burt Gummer Portland Completely Out of Ammo

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    I don't know which is going to make for a more dangerous situation post economic collapse. The unprepared having no food or them not having access to their brain melting pharm drugs like Effexor.

    You won't see the main stream media in the US criticizing any of this, that is why it is called the corporate media. (Notice this video is from Russia Today; you would NEVER seen this on your US boob tube)

    Over 30,000 Americans died from overdose from these pharm drugs in 2010 alone, but there is no outcry, no 'ban' being talked about. All is well in drug land.


    4 min video

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  4. DMax

    DMax Yamhill Well-Known Member

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    No Wonder Homeland Security is getting ready for the Zombie Apocalypse. I am sure this is a problem however I know no one that takes any of this crap. Is this what obammy mean't about when your old just take a pill vs surgery to actually fix the problem. Must also be why obammy partnered with big pharma for obammycare. Thanks Burt it is all coming together
    Get ride of our big mags and semi autos it really all fits.
  5. ATCclears

    ATCclears Seattle area, WA Well-Known Member

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    Here is a link to the cached article that Forbes posted and then suddenly took down:

    Psychiatric Drugs, Not A Lack Of Gun Control, Are The Common Denominator In Murderous Violence - Forbes

    In 2000, New York legislators recognized the ubiquitous and unambiguous connection between violence, especially gun violence and mass murder, and the widespread prescribed use of psychiatric drugs. Senate Bill 7035 was introduced in the New York State Senate that year requiring police agencies to report to the Department of Criminal Justice Services (DCJS) on certain crimes and suicides committed by a person who is using psychiatric drugs, including assault, homicide, sex offenses, robbery offenses, firearms and other dangerous weapons offenses, kidnapping and arson. The preamble to the bill read, in part:

    There is a large body of scientific research establishing a connection between violence and suicide and the use of psychotropic drugs in some cases. This research, which has been published in peer reviewed publications such as the American Journal of Psychiatry, The Journal of the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry, and The Journal of Forensic Science, has shown, among other things, that: certain drugs can induce mania (a psychosis which can produce bizarre, grandiose and highly elaborated destructive plans, including mass murder);. . .and certain drugs can produce an acute psychotic reaction in an individual not previously psychotic.

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    The bill died in committee. Since that time, there have been at least 12 additional high-profile mass murders linked to the use of psychiatric drugs, about one a year. And, in virtually every mass school shooting during the past 15 years, the shooter has been on or in withdrawal from psychiatric drugs. Here is a partial list of 24 such horrific events that occurred since 1998, not including the Virginia Tech shootings and the recent Sandy Hook shootings where the authorities continue to suppress information about whether and to what extent the shooters were on or in withdrawal from a psychiatric drug.

    These examples are not unique. According to the Citizens Commission On Human Rights International (CCHR), between 2004 and 2011, there were 12,755 reports to the U.S. FDA’s MedWatch system of psychiatric drugs causing violent side effects including: 1,231 cases of homicidal ideation/homicide, 2,795 cases of mania and 7,250 cases of aggression. Since the FDA admits that only one to ten percent of all side effects are ever reported to it, the actual occurrence of violent side effects from psychiatric drugs is certainly nine or ten times higher than the official data suggest.

    Yet, federal and state governments continue to ignore the connection between psychiatric drugs and murderous violence, preferring instead to exploit these tragedies in an oppressive and unconstitutional power grab to snatch guns away from innocent, law-abiding people who are guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution the right to own and bear arms to deter government tyranny and to use firearms in self defense against any miscreant who would do them harm. Therefore, it is pharmaceutical makers, not law-abiding gun owners or gun manufacturers, who should be held to account for the series of “lone-wolf,” mass shootings that have occurred since the widespread use of psychiatric drugs began.

    Although it is doubtful any single variable can explain what causes someone to commit such unspeakable acts as we saw recently at Sandy Hook, one common denominator surfaces time and time again, in hundreds and hundreds of cases where a “lone wolf” commits violence, murder and mayhem for apparently no reason: Prescribed psychiatric drugs, which are well documented to induce mania, psychosis, violence, suicide and murder, including mass murder for no apparent reason by otherwise non-psychotic people.

    Given the mass of supporting data linking psychiatric drug use/withdrawal and violence, and given the fact it has been ignored studiously by the U.S. Congress and federal agencies, it is well past time that Congress and state legislatures and government agencies at all levels formally investigate the well established link between prescribed use of psychiatric drugs, school shootings and similar acts of senseless violence.

    This video reveals the indisputable connection between psychiatric drugs and violence, especially young “lone-wolf” shooters in gun massacres.

    As psychiatrist Peter Breggin observes in the video:

    “One of the things in the past that we’ve known about depression is that it very, very rarely leads to violence. It’s only been since the advent of these new SSRI drugs that we’ve had murderers even mass murders taking these antidepressant drugs.”

    Instead of intimidating the NRA into negotiating away Americans’ Second Amendment rights through its seat at the table in Washington, the government should be demanding answers and explanations from PhRMA and the pharmaceutical companies.

    Instead of extorting NRA chairman Dave Keene and NRA president Wayne LaPierre into participating with the gun snatchers’ efforts to nullify the Second Amendment in the name of reducing gun violence, why aren’t the White House and Congress putting former Business Roundtable President and current head of PhRMA, John Castellani, along with the presidents of the pharmaceutical companies on the hot seat?

    Why isn’t Castellani sitting in on White House and congressional meetings about the connection between his products and mass shootings instead of Keene and LaPierre of the NRA?

    Why isn’t there a White House Task Force on the connection between psychiatric drugs and violence, suicide and murder, both gun related and otherwise?

    Why aren’t there congressional hearings on the connection between violence and psychiatric drugs?

    Why aren’t there bills being introduced in Congress and state legislatures to tighten down on the indiscriminate, unmonitored use of these killer drugs?

    Why is the government still suppressing information about the shooters’ psychiatric drug use at Sandy Hook and Virginia Tech?

    Why is the government turning America into a police state in the name of protecting us against nonexistent “reefer madness” while it turns a blind eye to the real, deadly med madness created by psychiatric drugs and the uncontrollable violent rages they produce in some people?

    Could it be there is a quiet conspiracy afoot among pharmaceutical companies, the government and the gun grabbers to make Mr. and Mrs. Gun Owner of America the patsies for the violence and to blame lone-wolf violence on guns rather than psychiatric drugs?

    Could it be that power-hungry politicians and gun snatchers are out to exploit rare tragedies such as Sandy Hook and use the blood of innocent children to scare America into giving up its constitutional rights to own and bear arms and use them as a deterrent against tyranny?

    Could it be that big pharma is today’s big tobacco?

    Could it be there is an intentional effort underway in the centers of power in Washington, DC to hide the truth from the American people about the strong connection between psychiatric drugs and violence and to protect the pharmaceutical companies from civil and criminal charges for their responsibility in these heinous crimes?

    Could that be the explanation for why there continue to be lawsuits against gun manufacturers — not for defects in their products but rather for the misuse of their products by drug-addled individuals — and why there are few lawsuits against pharmaceutical companies for the obvious flaws in their products, which are producing violence and mayhem?

    Could it be the Gun Control movement is simply a blind; just an effort by the triple alliance of left-fascists, big-government politicians and big-pharma prescription-drug dealers to dose and oppress the American people in the name of public safety, “officer safety” and social order?

    The gun snatchers such as Sen. Dianne Feinstein, New York Governor Andrew Cuomo and New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg all shamefully exploit the bloody murder of children as a pretext to nullify the Second Amendment and short arm the American public with their so-called “assault-weapons” ban and ammunition/clip restrictions. The fact is, the kinds of guns used by mass shooters are far less relevant than the kinds of drugs they were prescribed.
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  6. Burt Gummer

    Burt Gummer Portland Completely Out of Ammo

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    Thousands of times the amount of people will die or be disabled by these poisons than will ever suffer such a fate at the end of a gun barrel. Since societal and government manipulation is all about selling fear based on irrational emotions, the sheeple are focused on statistical non-issues as always.

    Being a victim of an active shooter or a 'terrorist,' choking on a peanut, being struck by lightning, bit by a shark, etc, etc - all these things are statistically near impossible. You dying from a pharm drug is not; that is actually statistically a possible reality.

    But FEAR FEAR FEAR to advance a pre-designed agenda is all what it is about.

    It works, so you really can't fault the Oligarchs for using it to disarm the masses.