He was in one of the large towns in MT. Said he could beat the price on the Labor Day sale through Liberty. Turned out to be more than the on-line offer. We were going to go with it anyway, then he quotes us $2325 for delivery minus installation. We canned the deal and went with a Rhino Bighorn. He called back and suddenly he had one like we wanted only 45 miles away in a different warehouse... but the deal was already done. We paid less for the Bighorn and installation than the Liberty safe. It has a lot more space. We really wanted the Liberty but the deal kept wiggling around.... size; color; model.... and then the cost of delivery. The Rhino came from Caldwell, ID with free shipping.What kind of slipperiness? What dealer was this?
Who changed it out for you Mark?I had an electronic lock in the past and wondered about an EMP and decided to just change it out. Can't say I miss it. I can get into the manual safe in about 12 seconds. If I need anything in there any faster, then I guess I should've had it out already.
Why do you typically have to drill a dial lock, forgot combo or mechanical reasons?Electronics now are not even the same as they were 4-5 years ago. They have advanced a lot, and I can honestly say the top models have 4x the use and opening ratings of their predecessors. I open about 18 locked out safes a month, and maybe end up actually drilling about 5 of them. Most of the time it’s drilling 3 elocks and 2 dials out of that 5.
just from my own 'dial vs button' history:the gearing gets worn down, and why many are built to resist dirt, the dials and can develop a grind to them. I was unsure on electronics myself but seen dials fail to work at times too.
Most my experiences are about once a day, but ya I do think about that whole EMP time to time, even the last few weeksNo argument here, just reporting my own experience:
just from my own 'dial vs button' history:
I had a mid-level Liberty for 27 years, opened average of once a day x 365 x 27 years= 9855 times estimate, with ZERO failure to function [DATA point A]
Traded for larger mid-level Liberty with electronic brain running things....opened average of once a day x 365 x 3 years = 1095 estimate, before making first failure call to the Mfg hot line. Then another couple years with average of failure/call tech help at least 4 times/year, and always with the concern of actual lock function failure independent of EMP etc... add another 1095 openings with great anxiety of "will it open THIS TIME???".....[DATA POINT B]
final absolute failure/call of on-site safe tekkie to replace failed lock. So I had somewhere around 20% the service function (opening the lock) from my whiz-bang keypad silicon wonder.
Out with the bad chip, in with the doomed-to-eventual grindy-dial style. I should live so long....
Comparing data point A with data point B....musing & wondering off to read about Cascadia Subduction Zone now.....