Post Office Case

[One-Eyed Ross]

More about post offices - I wonder if he'll appeal the decision?

Post Office violated man's rights by banning gun from parking lot, judge rules | Fox News

"Senior U.S. District Judge Richard Matsch said the Postal Service does, however, have a right to bar Tab Bonidy — a Colorado man who filed the lawsuit in U.S. District Court in Denver along with the National Association for Gun Rights — from carrying his gun into the Post Office building itself."

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[Cougfan2]

This should be interesting.

It is my understanding that while the USPS is funded in part by the US Govt., it is technically a private enterprise.

 

[PiratePast40]

I believe that the post office inclusion has it's at it's basis, employees not being allowed to carry. They had to include the general public in the law since the union lobbied for the regs being unfair, if just their employees were singled out as not being allowed to carry.

 

[Cougfan2]

I believe that the post office inclusion has it's at it's basis, employees not being allowed to carry. They had to include the general public in the law since the union lobbied for the regs being unfair, if just their employees were singled out as not being allowed to carry.

Interesting. I wasn't aware of that, but can the USPS, based on the terms of a Union contract, deny someone their 2A rights? What if the union contract stated anyone can be searched at any time on USPS property without reasonable suspicion of a crime being committed?

 

[osterr1999]

My company policy says exactly that. We can be searched and so can our vehicles if parked on company property.

 

[osterr1999]

The gun thing is an insurance thing in most cases. If your liability carrier knows that you allow employees or in some cases visitors to carry your rates will be higher.

 

[Cougfan2]

To a point many business places have done just this.

Random Drug ( blood or urine ) test can occur as the word applies randomly. Why the premise is it created a safe working environment.
That is also the same argument for 2nd amendment violation in that it helps creates a safe working environment.

How many are told they must take a drug test that have no history or signs of taking drugs ? Been going on routinely for nearly 20 years I think.

So kinda the same thing sorta taking your blood or urine and searching you seem like a personal violation all the same
cause not needed apparently.

I take your point, but are USPS buildings public or private property? I'm asking the question because I honestly don't know. If they are private property, they can do almost anything they want, but if it is public property with no compelling reason that weapons should be banned, such as a court house or Jail, can they limit your constitutional rights?

 

[Mark W.]

Postal property is federal
property

 

[accessbob]

Postal property is federal
property

And you can support that statement how? The property that post offices sit on are many times leased. And the USPS is NOT a governmental agency. It gets funding from the federal government but it is not actually a government agency.

 

[Panther]

My company policy says exactly that. We can be searched and so can our vehicles if parked on company property.

Same here and they conduct routine searches with dogs. I avoid parking on company property. The company was sued by state with help from NRA and lost. But Ok. Has a law on books that requires employers allow workers to have guns locked in vehicles where they work.

 

[John H]

And you can support that statement how? The property that post offices sit on are many times leased. And the USPS is NOT a governmental agency. It gets funding from the federal government but it is not actually a government agency.

You got anything to support that.

Federal Gov doesn't fund the USPS, it is self supporting.

 

[John H]

And you can support that statement how? The property that post offices sit on are many times leased. And the USPS is NOT a governmental agency. It gets funding from the federal government but it is not actually a government agency.

Since when is the USPS not a government agency, it is controlled by Congress.

 

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[Kevatc]

And you can support that statement how? The property that post offices sit on are many times leased. And the USPS is NOT a governmental agency. It gets funding from the federal government but it is not actually a government agency.

The answer seems pretty clear to me. Federal money = federal rules.

If memory serves congress allocates about 96 billion to the USPS. Of course the bulk of the USPS budget comes from postage revenues.

 

[soberups]

My company policy says exactly that. We can be searched and so can our vehicles if parked on company property.

So does my company (UPS).

Funny thing is, no one ever seems to get worked up about the row of trucks, campers and trailers full oif camping gear that are all parked in the back row on the Friday before the opening morning of deer hunting season.

But then again, maybe those guys made sure to leave their deer rifles at home.

 

[One-Eyed Ross]

But then again, maybe those guys made sure to leave their deer rifles at home.

Of course they do.

 

[RicInOR]

However this shakes out -
Parking lot OK = good news.
Since outhouses in a Federal Forest are federal buildings and thus off limits to firearms, I wouldn't go inside the Post Office area - not even the self-serve area.

As for the Post Office-Like facilities, such as mail counter in a grocery store - above my pay grade, but I will treat them as if they were a regular post office.

 

[pchewn]

I know the law is not settled yet, but in my rare and brief visits to the post office I rely on two things:

1) Concealed is concealed
2) Exception to the no-guns in federal building law: (3) the lawful carrying of firearms or other dangerous weapons in a Federal facility incident to hunting or other lawful purposes.

 

[TCOV]

However this shakes out -
Parking lot OK = good news.
Since outhouses in a Federal Forest are federal buildings and thus off limits to firearms, I wouldn't go inside the Post Office area - not even the self-serve area.

As for the Post Office-Like facilities, such as mail counter in a grocery store - above my pay grade, but I will treat them as if they were a regular post office.

Outhouses are not restricted from firearm possession. The restrictions on federal forestlands pertain to buildings where federal employees would normally be conducting their work, like a ranger station or visitors center. The postal counter in the grocery store is served by a private contractor, not a federal employee. Should have no firearm restrictions other than what the business owners policy is. Our post office in Port Angeles has no signage about firearms but does have a sign that robbery is a crime.

 

[oknow]

this may help answer the question

http://www.nagr.org/NAGR-Wins-Right-to-Carry-on-USPS-Property.pdf