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Possible Wa law

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by sigman, May 25, 2010.

  1. sigman

    sigman Olympia, Wa Member

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    I read somewhere of a purposed bill in Wa that would change the age of concealed carry of a pistol to 18. How can this be? You have to be 21 to buy a pistol. Is there a law that woulds allow a 18 yo to have a gun even thought he is too young to own it?

    I will look for the bill number and post back.
     
  2. JUSTIficatioN

    JUSTIficatioN Seattle, Wa Member

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    I seem to remember hearing something like that awhile back. If indeed it is a proposed bill I don't think it would pass. I personally wouldn't support it.
     
  3. bcp

    bcp SW WA Member

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    It was HB 3082 in 2009:
    http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?year=2009&bill=3082

    Discussion here:
    http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum55/43564.html

    Present law:
    RCW 9.41.240
    Possession of pistol by person from eighteen to twenty-one.


    Unless an exception under RCW 9.41.042, 9.41.050, or 9.41.060 applies, a person at least eighteen years of age, but less than twenty-one years of age, may possess a pistol only:

    (1) In the person's place of abode;

    (2) At the person's fixed place of business; or

    (3) On real property under his or her control.
     
  4. ZachS

    ZachS Eugene/PDX Active Member

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    I'd support a bill allowing women to carry at 16. 21's a perfectly good age for guys... Maybe 18 for those who can show a need.
     
  5. Jamie6.5

    Jamie6.5 Western OR Well-Known Member

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    Geez, the US military issues them to 18year-olds all the time. They have for years.

    Of course it's Washington, where you can own a suppressor but not use it! :confused: :huh: :rolleyes:
     
  6. Redcap

    Redcap Lewis County, WA Well-Known Member

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    Asinine.
     
  7. zeezee

    zeezee nowheresville Member

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    Old enough to vote & old enough to fight & die for their country but not old enough to drink or own a pistol? Hmmm, maybe you need to rethink your position.
     
  8. Trlsmn

    Trlsmn In Utero (Portland) Well-Known Member

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    I whole hardheartedly disagree. Think back to the girls you knew and or dated in High School and tell me again you want to put a loaded gun in their hands!
     
  9. ZachS

    ZachS Eugene/PDX Active Member

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    True, I was only thinking of impulsive, hotheaded misuse of the CCW privilege - not the premeditated, coldhearted kind. :bluelaugh:
     
  10. MountainBear

    MountainBear Sweet Home, OR Well-Known Member

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    Yikes...
     
  11. flinch444

    flinch444 N. Idaho New Member

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    Maturaty and good judgement have nothing to do with a persons age.
    I would trust many 18 yr olds with a gun before the jack@$$, 48yr old ccw holder, who shot at petty thieves driving away in Gresham.
     
  12. tionico

    tionico Thurston County Well-Known Member

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    I know many young folks at age fifteen that are fully responsible and capable of properly handling a firearm, long or hand gun.... even carrying it responsibly. As someone said, we take seventeen year olds into the military, train them in the use of all manner of combat weapons, and send them to sandpits and jungles to use them to kill designated combatants... or die trying. Yet, when these same 17 year olds come home, they can't even touch a handgun unless Dad is right there and they're on their own property? FOUL!!!!

    Can't remember which state... maybe Ohio or Kentucky, it is.. a Shall Issue CWP for all over 21, and MAY issue for 18 to 21.... the local chief LEO has the option, on review and his satisfaction the kid is responsible, to issue a CWP to an 18 year old.

    Now, if he's been caught speeding a half dozen times, maybe a few minor misdemeanor vandalism or disturbing the public charges, Chief LEO can, and should deny the priviledge until 21.

    If I had a daughter gone off to college at 19, I'd fear for her personal safety... college campuses are notorious for all manner of violation of persons.... rape in particular. Forbidding her the means to defend herself in such instances is wrong.... since when does the Second Ammendment fall out of the Constitution until someone is 21? If she is enough of a "people" to attend college, or join the military, at 17, 18, she is enough of a "people" to not have her right to arms infringed.

    Sure, I've also known a whole bunch if wild and crazy and irresponsible kids (some well into their thirties....... go figure) that have NO BUSINESS getting near a handgun they can carry about on their persons.... somehow, to these wild donkeys suddenly become responsible enough on their 21st birthday? Not hardly... so then, why deny them this on the day before, and give it them the day of? And, more to the point, why deny their mature and responsible younger peers the right guaranteed them under the Constitution?

    Passing the 21st aniversary of the day of their birth has nothing to do with their maturity. Why reward/penalise on this basis alone?
     
  13. sigman

    sigman Olympia, Wa Member

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    ZeeZee. I was in the Army. I have been to combat for my country. I can tell you from experiance that those 18yo's don't have the access to the weapons like you think they do. Only Officers, machine gunners and select people carry a pistol in the Army. My son is 19. I have been teaching him to shoot since he was 2 1/2. He has been out hunting with me since he was 10, and hunting since he was 12. I don't feel he is old enough to think the whole thing thru. I don't feel he is responcible enough to carry a pistol concealed.
     
  14. Hawaiian

    Hawaiian Tigard Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Rick, as you know, my son is 20 and is very responsible around firearms. That said, I could not agree with you more that he should not be allowed to carry a concealed firearm at his age, and he is a pretty responsible kid.

    The frontal lobe of the brain does not fully develop in a male until around age 25. This is the part of the brain that enables us to recongnize the consequenses for our actions. I know that I sure did not have the required common sense at that age.
     
  15. deen_ad

    deen_ad Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    you think it needs to be raised to 25?
     
  16. Father of four

    Father of four Portland, Oregon Well-Known Member

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    I think all those different 21 years of age requirements should be changed to 18 years of age.

    If an 18 yo can vote, be charged as an adult for having sex with a minor who is 17 years of age, they can decide to get married without their parents consent, they can become a porn star, they can join the military without a parents consent, will be charged as an adult if convicted of a crime, can legally sign a contract on behalf of them selves,.........

    But they cant buy and drink alcohol (at least in most states), cant carry a consealed firearm, cant buy a handgun, cant buy a pack of smokes or a cigar...

    Pretty wishy washy if you ask me.

    Some of my examples may not be exactly right and maybe weird, sorry!
     
  17. Weathermaker

    Weathermaker Washington Member

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    I was 17 when issued a M1911A1 which I carried daily.

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  18. Trlsmn

    Trlsmn In Utero (Portland) Well-Known Member

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    Yeah Weathermaker but you were probably issued a 1911 when they first came out by John Browning himself. :p
     
  19. simpleguy

    simpleguy Clackamas Active Member

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    I like brother Ted's quote: something like, they have turned the 2nd amendment into a tax with an expiration date.

    CC when you are 8 if you are responsible enough.....
     
  20. Silver Fox

    Silver Fox Puyallup, WA Well-Known Member

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    These words ring loud and true.

    SF-