Portland security guard shot with own gun

[rjmt]

the bad guys in Portland are no longer afraid of guns

Security guard shot in SE Portland, ballistic vest saves him

A ballistic vest saved a security guard who was shot during a scuffle with a trespasser in the early hours of Sunday in Southeast Portland.

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[Caveman Jim]

Billy clubs man, they will KTTFO.

 

[Certaindeaf]

the bad guys in Portland are no longer afraid of guns

Security guard shot in SE Portland, ballistic vest saves him

A ballistic vest saved a security guard who was shot during a scuffle with a trespasser in the early hours of Sunday in Southeast Portland.

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A gun is not a magic talisman.
A rusty straight razor and length of chain is though.

 

[Flopsweat]

The guard's ballistic vest stopped the bullet from hurting him.

I assume it stopped it from severely injuring him. It probably still hurt.

 

[rjmt]

but note this was not a robbery, not a desperate person stealing food, just a trespasser
when asked to leave, he attacked the armed guard and shot him in the chest with his own gun
he had the intent on murdering this guard just over trespassing

 

[American123]

The guard was not prepared for that response and likely positioned himself far too close when the order to move along was given, complacency kills.

 

[The Heretic]

but note this was not a robbery, not a desperate person stealing food, just a trespasser
when asked to leave, he attacked the armed guard and shot him in the chest with his own gun
he had the intent on murdering this guard just over trespassing

Or maybe he just really wanted the gun?

 

[rjmt]

Or maybe he just really wanted the gun?

I'm sure the Portland D.A. will come up with some excuse to let him off, IF caught

 

[rjmt]

I'm sure the Portland D.A. will come up with some excuse to let him off, IF caught

but what would have happened to the security guard IF he had shot an unarmed trespasser?

 

[nwslopoke]

Looks like police are not cooperating with the public. An armed attempted murderer is running free in the Portland area. Would be nice to at least have a general description. Public safety ain't what it used to be.

 

[rjmt]

I brought this up during the Portland riots, open carry does not discourage volant people in Portland,
it just agitates them to attack you and attempt to take your firearm
they have no fear of bodily harm or even death

 

[WillametteWill]

Couple of lessons here for me. Remember the reactionary gap, distance is your friend. If you have less than lethal options (OC spray) you need the time to get it out. Weapon retention, especially with open carry (and why I carried a level 3 retention holster), vests are your friend (that you hopefully never have to use).

The final is the extra magazine debate that has been pretty hot on the interwebs lately. ASP John is in the do what you want but don't see a need for a spare mag crowd. To me, this is one of those reasons why I do. Don't really know how the mag was actually released (article says guard released it) and it may not have been a factor in this case. But a dropped mag from a struggle or on purpose leaves you with a one shot brick; the extra mag could be a lifesaver. (So could a back up gun.) Thanks for the good OP!

 

[rjmt]

Couple of lessons here for me. Remember the reactionary gap, distance is your friend. If you have less than lethal options (OC spray) you need the time to get it out. Weapon retention, especially with open carry (and why I carried a level 3 retention holster), vests are your friend (that you hopefully never have to use).

The final is the extra magazine debate that has been pretty hot on the interwebs lately. ASP John is in the do what you want but don't see a need for a spare mag crowd. To me, this is one of those reasons why I do. Don't really know how the mag was actually released (article says guard released it) and it may not have been a factor in this case. But a dropped mag from a struggle or on purpose leaves you with a one shot brick; the extra mag could be a lifesaver. (So could a back up gun.) Thanks for the good OP!

and this is why I chose an SP101 with 3" BBL for a carry firearm in 1989
even if someone grabs the revolver, you can still pull the trigger and the cylinder flash will burn their hand
with the 3" bbl, no one can get their had on the revolver without the muzzle being in their palm

 

[BrentN]

innocent saved by armor. Time to outlaw it so only the crims have armor.

 

[solv3nt]

and this is why I chose an SP101 with 3" BBL for a carry firearm in 1989
even if someone grabs the revolver, you can still pull the trigger and the cylinder flash will burn their hand
with the 3" bbl, no one can get their had on the revolver without the muzzle being in their palm

Not entirely true, if the hammer isn't cocked, you can prevent a revolver from firing if you prevent the cylinder from rotating.

A semi auto can be prevented from firing by removing the slide from battery. A revolver similarly can be prevented from firing by preventing the hammer from moving rearwards; which is accomplished by preventing rotation.

 

[titsonritz]

Why did he give the scumbag the gun in the first place?

 

[nwslopoke]

Why did he give the scumbag the gun in the first place?

Possibly felt armed and invincible. Low awareness of the situation. I like most people but trust no one. I worked outside I'm LA over 4 years and have seen a lot. I believe in personal space. Don't encroach on mine.

 

[titsonritz]

and this is why I chose an SP101 with 3" BBL for a carry firearm in 1989
even if someone grabs the revolver, you can still pull the trigger and the cylinder flash will burn their hand
with the 3" bbl, no one can get their had on the revolver without the muzzle being in their palm

See what @solv3nt said below.

Not entirely true, if the hammer isn't cocked, you can prevent a revolver from firing if you prevent the cylinder from rotating.

A semi auto can be prevented from firing by removing the slide from battery. A revolver similarly can be prevented from firing by preventing the hammer from moving rearwards; which is accomplished by preventing rotation.

Yep, also even if the hammer is cocked the web of the hand or small enough digit will stop the hammer from dropping and prevent the gun from firing.

During the Japanese Occupation Ip Man was a well respected police officer.
During his time on the police force, a thief pulled a revolver and attempted to kill him, which he prevented by grasping the cylinder. Some legends would have it that Ip Man broke the cylinder out of the gun with sheer finger strength.

I use to practice disarming techniques with a 1911 by throwing it out of battery. I remember years ago some big name gunsmith (can't remember which one) made the "Ultimate CQB 1911", it had a guard on the dust cover that came out and prevented the pistol from pushed out battery via a muzzle strike.

 

[slimmer13]

A rusty straight razor and length of chain is though.

Cornpop was a bad dude

 

[Member 53328]

Not enough distance. Sh!t gear. No situational awareness. He was probably carrying in a Serpa holster…… hahaha. And only shot/handled the gun on his yearly qual….

Training with induced stress is key.