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Portland Residential FFL Sales

Discussion in 'General Firearm Discussion' started by Ligito, Aug 22, 2015.

  1. Ligito

    Ligito Oregon Active Member

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    I just heard from an ATF agent that retail sales of firearms are prohibited by law, in Portland.
    If an FFL in Portland has his business at his residence and buys a firearm, he must transfer it through a storefront FFL.
     
  2. mkwerx

    mkwerx Forest Grove, OR Well-Known Member

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    Wtf, over?
     
  3. Garg

    Garg east of portland metro Hold my beer..... watch this Bronze Supporter

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    I call bullcrap....
     
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  4. mjbskwim

    mjbskwim Salmon,Idaho Well-Known Member

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    He needs a refresher course in his own laws
     
  5. Garg

    Garg east of portland metro Hold my beer..... watch this Bronze Supporter

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    Apparently, most of them just need A COURSE...... Just like most cops, they just don't have the bandwidth to know ALL of the laws..
     
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  6. Velzey

    Velzey Estacada, Oregon Gunsmith Gunsmith Bronze Vendor Bronze Supporter

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    That's some wrong info right there!
     
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  7. Certaindeaf

    Certaindeaf SE Portland Well-Known Member

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    Retail is.. nevermind.
     
  8. 45alive

    45alive South Douglas County- Orygun Well-Known Member

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    :s0149:
     
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  9. Lance Jacobs

    Lance Jacobs South Willamette Valley Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Yes, he is absolutely correct. The ATF requires that FFL license holders obey all state and local laws, in order to keep their license. Failure to do so can put them at risk of losing their license.

    The city of Portland's zoning ordinances make it illegal to operate any retail business in a single family residence. So no type of retail operation, gun sales or otherwise, can be legally conducted from a home in Portland.

    So yes, such sales are indeed prohibited by law, and a violation of the terms of a FFL's license.

    Here is info from the ATF, where it makes it clear to FFL holders that they must also obey all state and local laws in order to keep their license:

    https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/doe...censees-comply-state-laws-and-local-published

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  10. Mark W.

    Mark W. Silverton, OR Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Which means there most likely aren't any FFL's working out of their homes in Portland.

    And I can't find a single retail FFL in Portland Oregon. SO legal or not you can't buy a firearm in Portland.

    All the gun shops I know of or can find listed on line around Portland are in another city proper.
     
  11. Lance Jacobs

    Lance Jacobs South Willamette Valley Oregon Well-Known Member

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    With all the anti-gun mentality that exists in Portland, one really cannot blame FFL's not setting up shop there.
     
  12. jbett98

    jbett98 NW Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    The Gun Room is in Portland. Not that anyone I know would buy from there, but it's still in Portland.
    Also, Bi Mart sells guns in their retail stores.
     
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  13. Mark W.

    Mark W. Silverton, OR Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    I stand corrected.
     
  14. Garg

    Garg east of portland metro Hold my beer..... watch this Bronze Supporter

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    As do I....
     
  15. Velzey

    Velzey Estacada, Oregon Gunsmith Gunsmith Bronze Vendor Bronze Supporter

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    I know of a couple FFL's in Porkland, but they have them for gunsmithing. I will have to quiz them about doing transfers...
     
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  16. Who The F R U

    Who The F R U Rainier Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Who ever is spreading this is wrong.
    A FFL has authority to do business anywhere in the state they choose.
    No city can say otherwise.

    This was brought up to us buy our guy @ ATF when the city of Rainier bubblegumed with us.
    I gave it to the Mayors clerk and told them if they bugged us again it would be our lawyer who responded.

    That was 3+ years ago now.

    ______________________________________________________________________
    State Preemption:
    http://www.oregonlaws.org/ors/166.170



    Send this to your buddy and tell him to give a copy to the city to wipe there Arse's with.

    Nathan
     
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  17. Ligito

    Ligito Oregon Active Member

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    Retail is the term that BATF use, to refer to sales of firearms.
     
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    Ligito Oregon Active Member

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    Ligito Oregon Active Member

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    City of Portland Home Occupation Permit does allow up to 8 people a day, to visit a residential business place, under a Type B Home Occupation Permit.
     
  20. Who The F R U

    Who The F R U Rainier Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Retail has no affect on the law.

    Except as expressly authorized by state statute, no county, city or other municipal corporation or district may enact civil or criminal ordinances, including but not limited to zoning ordinances, to regulate, restrict or prohibit the sale, acquisition, transfer, ownership, possession, storage, transportation or use of firearms or any element relating to firearms and components thereof, including ammunition. Ordinances that are contrary to this subsection are void. [1995 s.s. c.1 §1]