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Portland City Council to Consider Gun Control Ordinances - Nov 18

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by drew, Nov 8, 2010.

  1. drew

    drew OR Well-Known Member

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    Less than a month after Adams said he would postpone his gun control ordinances, the city council will vote on them. Who expected Sam to tell the truth?:angry:

    Portland mayor's proposed gun-control ordinances to go before City Council on Nov. 18 | OregonLive.com

     
  2. silentslammer

    silentslammer east oregun Member

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    Consider his enlightened observation, just as 75% of Multnomah County voted for a repeat failure of a Governor to get another chance for the sake of fun & diversity.:laugh:. Its becoming the only choice is by physical, not being a fool and believing in "democracy":laugh: Forget about it....have another drink, you dope:laugh:
     
  3. drew

    drew OR Well-Known Member

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    I never claimed most people around here were smart or particularly enlightened. Unfortunately, Portland is a magnet for morons. I guess that makes me a dope for putting up with them. This dope is pouring a stiff drink to take the edge off the arrogance and stupidity exhibited by elected officials.
     
  4. Ben Beckerich

    Ben Beckerich NW Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    do they not realize that Oregon law prohibits cities from making their own gun laws?

    first prosecution will result in a trip to the oregon supreme court, where the laws will be pooped on and overturned.
     
  5. Buddhalux

    Buddhalux Hillsboro, Oregon Active Member

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    After it wastes a ton of our money to "defend" the city.
     
  6. novamind

    novamind Hillsboro Active Member

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    Sam Adams is, and always will be a bad joke.
     
  7. pokerace

    pokerace Newberg Well-Known Member

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    Those are BS feel good laws that won't do any good and will be ignored.
     
  8. saxon

    saxon springfield Active Member

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    so once again we see the law i sin place but they need another one to inforce the law that is in place already, WTF come on what a crock
     
  9. Reco

    Reco Portland Oregon Active Member

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    So this cant possibly overide conceal carry right? No City can trump State law.

    Reco
     
  10. Ben Beckerich

    Ben Beckerich NW Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    they can put restrictions on anything they want. but prosecution will be a little difficult. more likely, if they're taking this approach, they'll just do like other cities in these United States like to do: have the "law," so they can arrest and confiscate, but then not prosecute. that way the law doesn't get challenged, short of a suit, but they still get to arrest and confiscate until shut down.

    so you get arrested, maybe spend the weekend in jail, get your piece confiscated... get released from jail, charges downgraded to a violation. but now you gotta fight to get your gun back. that'll teach ya to carry a gun in my town!
     
  11. The Cheese

    The Cheese somewhere special Member

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    if they would only enforce their statutory rape laws, these laws probably wouldn't have even been proposed. Just sayin :paranoid:
     
  12. Will_Power

    Will_Power OR via OK Active Member

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    I moved to Portland from Oklahoma four years ago, and most of the time, I really love it. The Northwest is fantastic, and I wouldn't mind staying here long term.

    But I tell you what, there are occasions around this damn hippie town that make me really scratch my head in befuddlement. Annoying bicyclists, Adams getting elected, Kitzhaber getting re-elected (didn't the guy basically make a mess of everything when he was last in office), and now stupid gun circus shows by the council.

    Is Seattle any better?
     
  13. djm68

    djm68 Portland, OR Member

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    I moved to Portland 10 years ago from California (SF bay area); coming from the Bay Area, Portland seemed fairly sane. Lots of things about Portland's politics bother me and yes some of the annoying cyclists too. However, I'll give Portland credit for a few things:

    "local" goods/foods are more than just buzz words here -- people really go out of their way to be more sustainable, but local and support local businesses. I think that's worth something.

    Portland has a usable public transportation system. I do not use Max often, but I know many people who do. It was a forward thinking move.

    Some of those "hippies" that seem annoying, and you (and I) might assume are "liberals" might surprise you. Many are quite disgusted with both dems and repubs and are far more libertarian leaning, and *many* are gun owners and pro-gun.

    I'll take Portland any day over SF bay or Seattle: both cities are even more nutty than Portland (by far), they are more crowded, far more expensive, traffic is much worse, etc.

    Seattle any better? No way: SF bay area with more rain.

    Just my 0.02

    DJM
     
  14. CharlesAFerg

    CharlesAFerg Beaverton Active Member

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    Negative, this has not been my experience at all, especially with the elitists in my area.
     
  15. djm68

    djm68 Portland, OR Member

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    I can see that -- you live in the West Hills. Wife and I almost moved to SW Hills as it is beautiful, but really did not like the people -- as you say, "Elitist".

    I live in N. Portland, not far from Adidas campus, which is a "middle class" neighborhood, formerly working class. Two people on my block have lived in their homes 30+ years; one lady, who must be mid 60's, lives in the house she was born in. Many of my neighbors are pro gun (at least one hunts) and I've done gun sales with two people from NWFA who wound up living withing walking distance.

    Come down to my area of town and maybe you feel a different vibe -- we can drop by one of the local bubblegums where the "old timers" hang out. Beers are on me!

    Cheers,
    DJM
     
  16. Dave Workman

    Dave Workman Western Washington Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Portland mayor sends signal that WA gun owners better heed


    "...State preemption has Seattle stuck in court right now, challenging the trial court victory of the Second Amendment Foundation and National Rifle Association in their joint lawsuit to stop the Queen City’s (this column never seriously entertained Seattle’s “Emerald City” moniker because it is simply stupid) attempt to ban guns from city park facilities. It’s illegal, and in the wake of SAF’s victory in McDonald v. City of Chicago, probably unconstitutional...."


    Portland mayor sends signal that WA gun owners better heed - Seattle gun rights | Examiner.com

    Or try this:

    Portland mayor sends signal that WA gun owners better heed - Seattle gun rights | Examiner.com
     
  17. Contract_Pilot

    Contract_Pilot Vancouver, Washington Active Member

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    "allow the city to exclude gun offenders who are on probation or under juvenile authority from entering a public area or park within the hot spot locations, unless they live in the area, go to school, obtain social services or travel through it. "

    So, with this bad bad bad feel good law!!

    what are they going to do about the ever growing houseless people that live in parks, under an overpass, on a bus bench, or motor home in the hot spot area?

    What if they are shopping/working in the area?
    What if they are visiting a Friend?

    How are the areas going to be posted?

    Is their going to be a sign on every corner, light/power pole, or stop sign?

    How will that affect real-estate prices in the hot spot area?

    Is their a time limit on this hot spot or is it permanent once placed?

    How are the area's determined "hot spots", will the neighbors be able to appeal the city's decision to make an area a Hot Spot? or will the city be able to elect a hot spot at will at any time?

    "They'll also have a right of appeal to the code hearings officer."

    Is that after they get arrested for being in a public place?

    How will a supposed offender that was convinced unlawful carry 15/20 years ago be notified and under probation for a non related crime?

    Will the law apply to all convicted of unlawful carry etc. no matter where convicted Washington/Oregon/Idaho/California?

    Will there be a charge to file the paperwork to appeal to the code hearings officer?

    If one does appeal do they have to carry a piece of paper "permit" allowing them to go to that public area know as a hot spot?

    "a special 7 p.m. curfew for juveniles who have been convicted of a gun offense, found to have possessed, purchased, used, transferred or transported a firearm unlawfully;"

    Please define "juvenile" is it under 18 or under 21?

    What about the 17 year old that has to go to work at 8pm and home at 11pm in a hot spot area?

    What about us home builder that do not have serial number's on our firearms and it gets stolen? will it be a $200 administrative fee?
     
  18. jeddedia

    jeddedia Wilsonville, Oregon, United States Member

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    Very valid points Contract_Pilot!

    I know what I'm about to say has been re-hashed many times, but why make more laws when the violators don't give two $!^#s about them??!!

    And where is the money going to come from to pay for the administration, signage, special 'passes', monitoring, etc. that this will bring?

    This whole country is going crazy...:huh::paranoid::huh:
     
  19. Contract_Pilot

    Contract_Pilot Vancouver, Washington Active Member

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    I agree jeddedia Criminals do not care if they are breaking the law.

    A criminal will carry a gun concealed regardless if he has a permit. Having to get a permit is a nuisance and burden to a law abiding person.
     
  20. CharlesAFerg

    CharlesAFerg Beaverton Active Member

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    Perhaps I've been scarred by my experiences on the west side, in the pearl, and down on the PSU campus. The majority of people that I know down in those regions are quite anti-gun. It's good to know that people here don't feel the same about the rest of the city.

    I'l keep that in mind, and I definitely appreciate the hospitality. Do you have any recommendations? It is indeed quite "phony" up here sometimes. It must be the altitude, both mentally and physically, of course.