I just learned that there is a new Baofeng (pronounced pofung) handheld out on sale on Amazon http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00PTJ43FU/ref=ox_sc_act_title_3?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=AM1AKWRN957PC This looks almost identical to the F8HP (which I have), but is over $10 cheaper - i.e., below $50 which is pretty good for a dual band (2M/70cm) that provides 8 watts. I think I may order two of these. The idea is that these will be cheap HT comms for GHBs, stashed in vehicles for backup comms. One for my GHB, one for each of my kids Next weekend I take my tech license test and eventually I will get better comm systems components (looking at the new Yaesu digital units) but these would not cause me a lot of grief if they got stolen out of the car or something like that. What do you have for comms that don't depend on third party systems?