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It is said by some that many police officers are not very firearms oriented and many so-called gun "accidents" occur in police departments.

Here is my account of meeting cops who don't seem too gun smart.

In late 2005, I was traveling with a buddy to Jackpot, NV to play the penny machines. My buddy was driving without his lights on at night (he had car battery problems) and got stopped by some local sheriff deputies. My buddy parked right in the parking lot of the casino we were visiting as the cops put the flashing lights on right as we were about to pull in anyway. We were asked some questions and one officer asked us if these were any firearms in the car. They were two male officers in their 30's. They seemed like rural types. Anyway, I told the one who asked that I had my unloaded revolver in the back of the car. He asked me, "What? Do you mean a semi-automatic pistol?" I said, "No, officer, a Smith & Wesson .38 Special" . He asked to see the gun so I showed it to him. It was in a case. He ran the serial number to see if it was hot and handed it back to me. Maybe I should have explained to the officer that I had a "Russian roulette gun" for his better understanding. Anyway, my buddy got let off with a warning about the headlights and that was that. Are revolvers in Nevada called "six-guns" instead of "revolvers"? The officers seemed like cowboy types. Both officers were rather young and had autos in their holsters. They may have never seen or touched a wheelgun.

I made this thread here because I believe firearms semantics has much to do with education and training. The various discussions of firearms is rife with language pollution by the military, law enforcement, the media and politicians. It's disturbing to know that men sworn and trusted with badges, handcuffs, high-speed pursuit cars and guns might not even know what a "revolver" is by that name.
 
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A relatively young police firearms instructor was attending advanced training in the private sector. The training included shooting a variety of firearms. The time came for the officer to fire a revolver. She picked up the revolver by the grips with a thumb and forefinger, holding it as though it was a diaper that needed to be emptied, and took it to the senior instructor.

"What" she said, "am I supposed to do with THIS?"

All she knew was her Glock. A revolver to her was no more than a nineteenth century relic.
 
A relatively young police firearms instructor was attending advanced training in the private sector. The training included shooting a variety of firearms. The time came for the officer to fire a revolver. She picked up the revolver by the grips with a thumb and forefinger, holding it as though it was a diaper that needed to be emptied, and took it to the senior instructor.

"What" she said, "am I supposed to do with THIS?"

All she knew was her Glock. A revolver to her was no more than a nineteenth century relic.
i would've done the same thing. "Who do I look like to you? Wyatt Earp?" They might as well include a bow and arrow.
 
Have you considered higher powered rimfire like the .17HMR or the .22Magnum? You mentioned that .22lr is boring... I shoot .22lr at ground squirrels up to 100yds and I find it challenging rather than boring. But you might like the extra poop a juiced up rimfire puts out... I've heard they are really fun to shoot, and ammo is plentiful right now.




AFAIK bolt action .223s are very accurate. That should suit you well for killing squeaks with CF firearm. However, I have not been able to find .223 ammo in stock anywhere currently. Not even in bulk. This probably will change later, or maybe I wasn't looking at buying enough rounds?




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That's the one... thx Joe13!!!

I'm just so enamored with slick, racy CF rifle cartridges. I've blasted ground squirrels up to 100 yards in the past with my former scoped Browning BOSS A-Bolt II in .25-06. 1 MOA offhand on bench. I now have a hankering for a Weatherby bolt-action for long-range tack-driving in a more customary varmint CF caliber. .223 seems it might fill the bill as a Rocky-killer. I never heard of AFAIK guns before. Before I go out and buy a new Vanguard .223, I want to learn more about them from people who have tested them at the range on paper with a ruler. I want to know if this Howa-action rifle can actually SHOOT! I want a shooter but not at a good-used-car price.
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This is possibly the most convoluted, confusing, backpedaling and just plain odd thread I've read in a while. I mean.....jeez, man. Did you forget your meds this morning or.... Bump yer noggin?
 
This is possibly the most convoluted, confusing, backpedaling and just plain odd thread I've read in a while. I mean.....jeez, man. Did you forget your meds this morning or.... Bump yer noggin?
well, our lovely moderators have bundled my several different threads into one giant bird's nest...I was actually butted in the head this morning by my billy goat, Trooper...I'm a goat dairy farmer, you know

I don't know why my thread about police who have trouble with gun-related semantics got merged here. Goat Farmer's want of gun knowledge and law enforcement's want of gun knowledge should be at least two separate threads. Separate the police from the goats, pl
 
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Buy a nice quality what ever brand when possible then wait for Colt to make some if ever or to find a used one. No body has only 1 AR type and you need one !
 
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Yep, it's odd how this thread detoured from the main avenue of paramilitary-style rifles and carbines to the back alley of police pump shotguns. But often, a police pump is a common home defense long gun. The AR seems like the other biggie home defense long gun of choice this century. It's growing a progressively bigger following year by year. Some fear there might be another "assault weapons" ban in the near future. The police pump that graces the dashes of cruisers might seem old hat to some. One might ask: Which is better for home defense, an AR or a tactical shotgun?

It's like the old question of a revolver vs an auto and .45 ACP vs 9mm. Back in the late 1980's, gun magazines were fraught with such articles about this controversy. Many old timers enamored by Old 45 then said 9mm was a pipsqueak round as a "man stopper" for consideration. There were shiploads of new "wondernine" pistols on the market then and that was the new Magic Bullet for handguns then. I didn't believe in 9mm then and favored .45 ACP but now 9mm is par for the course in a concealable handgun.
Ammunition for the 9 has improved vastly since the old "ball ammo" days. Any number of high velocity hollow points are available over the counter these days, the most common being the 115 grain and followed by some 125 grain HP's...
 
As a guy formerly in the army as an American soldier, I'm so familiar with this weapon platform. Several of my issue M16A2's even had Colt AR-15 stamped right on the left side of the mag well. American citizens, I feel, need this gun because, even for older and frail people, it's easy to shoot and handle and 5.56 ammo is dirt cheap as compared with other CF ammo. This is 3 rifles in one: a fun-to-shoot sporter, a varminter and a great home defender.

I endeavor to own my own Colt AR-15A4 should Colt decide to put them back into the civilian market again. They seem to be out of stock right now. This gun has a detachable A2 rear sight carry handle and government profile barrel, not HBAR. I would consider this an all-around rifle for plinking cans and soda bottles, controlling rodents and coyotes, home defense and range paper target fun as well. I want easy iron sights and scope capability.

A few questions about this rifle:

1. it make a good varminter for rodents as woodchucks and ground squirrel about what maximum range with its stock non-HBAR barrel and the proper scope mounted on the picatinny rail? I had a a Burris Optics Peepers QD mount in mind. Supposed to be excellent at holding a zero everytime the scope and mount goes on and off the gun. For a scope I have a Leupold of sorts in mind. Beaverton, OR is the home of Leupold.

2. will the A2 sight on the stock Colt carry handle to continue to hold its zero each and every time the handle goes on and off the receiver?

3. is Harris bipod a good one for varmint rifles including AR-15's?

4. the cheapest 5.56 ammo (some of it Chinese bulk) will group how tight in a Colt AR-15A4 typically? is the cheap stuff even decent for varmints up to about 500 yards?


I know there are shiploads of AR-15 clones on the market but none would ever be so near and dear to me than the one's bearing a Rampant Pony.
There is , and has not been for decades, any "Chinese bulk" ammo available in the US.
That said, I think you are an anti-gunner fishing for info to use against firearms owners, particularly concerning use/ownership of the AR15. If you were in the military you never were issued an AR15 as you aver. Nice try, guy.
 
(edit: That would be 2MOA to 3MOA, so 4"-6" groups at 200yds, and 6"-9" groups at 300yds, and that is for typical commercial ammo, not the cheap Russian stuff),

Regarding the MOA for a 2"-3" group at 100yds, then expanding that group size out to 200yds and 300yds for both MOA. The point being that the group size is a big hole for a 2" wide squirrel to slip thru. Sorry to be late with this... I'm slow!!!


I don't think AR-based barrels shorter than 16" are civilian legal.

For a rifle, it would be unless one has the paperwork for an SBR (short barreled rifle). For an AR pistol, and size barrel is permitted.


Muzzle velocity out of an 11.5" is 27k - 28k fps.... m

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I'm just so enamored with slick, racy CF rifle cartridges. I've blasted ground squirrels up to 100 yards in the past with my former scoped Browning BOSS A-Bolt II in .25-06. 1 MOA offhand on bench. I now have a hankering for a Weatherby bolt-action for long-range tack-driving in a more customary varmint CF caliber. .223 seems it might fill the bill as a Rocky-killer. I never heard of AFAIK guns before. Before I go out and buy a new Vanguard .223, I want to learn more about them from people who have tested them at the range on paper with a ruler. I want to know if this Howa-action rifle can actually SHOOT! I want a shooter but not at a good-used-car price.
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It would seem then, that you need a rifle capable of shooting at least 1/2MOA in order to stand a chance of hitting a 2" wide squirrel consistently at 200yds. (1MOA MIGHT do it, but not consistently and 300yds would not happen often.) Many bolt action rifles in .223 SHOULD be capable of 1/2MOA accuracy out of the box. You might do some reading to find out which.

Re: AFAIK.... it's internet shorthand for "As far as I know". It's not a rifle brand/maker. Sorry for the confusion!!
 
Regarding the MOA for a 2"-3" group at 100yds, then expanding that group size out to 200yds and 300yds for both MOA. The point being that the group size is a big hole for a 2" wide squirrel to slip thru. Sorry to be late with this... I'm slow!!!




For a rifle, it would be unless one has the paperwork for an SBR (short barreled rifle). For an AR pistol, and size barrel is permitted.




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It would seem then, that you need a rifle capable of shooting at least 1/2MOA in order to stand a chance of hitting a 2" wide squirrel consistently at 200yds. (1MOA MIGHT do it, but not consistently and 300yds would not happen often.) Many bolt action rifles in .223 SHOULD be capable of 1/2MOA accuracy out of the box. You might do some reading to find out which.

Re: AFAIK.... it's internet shorthand for "As far as I know". It's not a rifle brand/maker. Sorry for the confusion!!


huh? I edited my typo ages ago... It says 2.7k - 2.8k fps..... :s0153:



Muzzle velocity out of an 11.5" is 2.7k - 2.8k fps.... more than enough for its intended conditional uses. As for the collapsible stock, it took me a while to get used to the CAR15 that I used after having used an A1 for years, but as with anything training gets you used to it, and I prefer them (in general) over the fixed A1/A2 stocks.

As for the rest... don't over analyze it.
 
There is , and has not been for decades, any "Chinese bulk" ammo available in the US.
That said, I think you are an anti-gunner fishing for info to use against firearms owners, particularly concerning use/ownership of the AR15.

I had the same thought when I figured the guy was messing with me... but now, I think it's just that he is, after all, a Goat Farmer. ;):)
 
well, our lovely moderators have bundled my several different threads into one giant bird's nest...I was actually butted in the head this morning by my billy goat, Trooper...I'm a goat dairy farmer, you know

I don't know why my thread about police who have trouble with gun-related semantics got merged here. Goat Farmer's want of gun knowledge and law enforcement's want of gun knowledge should be at least two separate threads. Separate the pigs from the goats, please.
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Trooper is a good name.
Ours is Danger Boy (lower left)...the rest are his womenz.
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Make sure your goats have plenty of water during the summer heat!!

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