Please help me dating an Iver Johnson

Messages
16
Reactions
50
Hello, i'm trying to find the date of manufacturing of this Iver Johnson in 38 SW.
I think it's an early third model due to the patent AUG 25 96
The stamps on the barel, the cylinder and the frame, means that it has been nitro prof by the Birmingham prof house after 1954 (that's what i've found...).
If someone can help me to know more about this gun, i'll be thankfull. DSC_3922.JPG DSC_3925.JPG DSC_3926.JPG DSC_3924.JPG DSC_3940.JPG
 
Last edited by a moderator:

The Heretic

Messages
17,955
Reactions
41,915
The Best First Date Tips For Women
  1. Plan ahead and go in feeling confident and relaxed.
  2. Dress appropriately and be comfortable. ...
  3. Let someone know where you're going. ...
  4. Take a deep breath and (ya, I'm going to say it) be yourself. ...
  5. Try to avoid serious or controversial conversation topics. ...
  6. Look out for red flags. ...
  7. Have an exit strategy and a wind-down routine.
 

bbbass

Messages
11,801
Reactions
25,234
Take a deep breath and (ya, I'm going to say it) be yourself. .
Be yourself... hmmm, I'm fat, ugly, losing my hair, old, only interested in sex, a poor conversationalist, still angry with my ex, highly anxious, have bad breath, don't dress well, smelly, have social anxiety, fear of crowds and strangers, poor social skills, aaaaaaaaaaaaaand........ I LOVE ARs!!!
 
Messages
6,787
Reactions
17,088
Show me good views of the proof marks, and I'll give you a better idea of when THAT happened. But bear in mind that that will NOT be the dom, or even near it.

EVERY US-made firearm has to be proofed here in yUK or in any of the other 13 CIP signature nations, before it can be sold commercially.
 
OP
Frenchie
Messages
16
Reactions
50
Show me good views of the proof marks, and I'll give you a better idea of when THAT happened. But bear in mind that that will NOT be the dom, or even near it.

EVERY US-made firearm has to be proofed here in yUK or in any of the other 13 CIP signature nations, before it can be sold commercially.
Thank you all so much !
Here are some pictures of the BNP proof marks. Not verry good pictures, but that's the best i can do...

barel-jpg.jpg

bnp-jpg.jpg

cylinder-jpg.jpg
 
Messages
6,787
Reactions
17,088
'kaaaaaaaay. What we are looking for is the actual view marks stamp from either Birmingham or London.

BNP = British Nitro Proof.

.38" = calibre

.767 = length of cartridge in decimal inches.

3 1/2 tons (per square inch sign) = nominal test pressure.

Birmingham -
Look for a pair of crossed sceptres - usually stylised and looking like thin swords X with a letter on each side and a number under the centre.

London - Crown over CP or arm and scimitar over NP.

If it's Birmingham, then dating it is VERY easy, if London, not so easy...
 
OP
Frenchie
Messages
16
Reactions
50
'kaaaaaaaay. What we are looking for is the actual view marks stamp from either Birmingham or London.

BNP = British Nitro Proof.

.38" = calibre

.767 = length of cartridge in decimal inches.

3 1/2 tons (per square inch sign) = nominal test pressure.

Birmingham -
Look for a pair of crossed sceptres - usually stylised and looking like thin swords X with a letter on each side and a number under the centre.

London - Crown over CP or arm and scimitar over NP.

If it's Birmingham, then dating it is VERY easy, if London, not so easy...
Thank you one more time tac !

There's no other stamp on this gun except the Iver Johnson stamp...

But The BNP stamp on this gun are not very old ? I've found 1954 until now.

The gun seem to be an early version of the smokeless powder Iver jhonson, that's what i don't understand...
Is it possible that it has been sold in the Uk a long time after the manufacturing ?
It's strange...
 
Messages
6,787
Reactions
17,088
Heck, yeah. ANY firearm made in the USA for which ammunition is currently made MUST go through the proof process here, and, as I noted, in any of the 14 CIP nations. That's because the USA does not have any kind of federal proof facility. Most modern guns made in the USA and imported over here are only fired once in the factory, to prove they function - that does not cut the mustard here, désolée.

As an example, EVERY single Springfield Rifle Model 1873 in .45-70 MUST be proofed here, although they are almost 150 years old. We cannot have them as an antique, as ammunition is readily available...but the predecessor, the .50-70, can be bought by anybody over age 18.

You are totally correct with the dating, but it is very unusual not to find any other stamp. (Gallic shrug)

BTW, you are from further away than I am!! How did YOU get here?
 
Last edited:
OP
Frenchie
Messages
16
Reactions
50
Heck, yeah. ANY firearm made in the USA for which ammunition is currently made MUST go through the proof process here, and, as I noted, in any of the 14 CIP nations. That's because the USA does not have any kind of federal proof facility. Most modern guns made in the USA and imported over here are only fired once in the factory, to prove they function - that does not cut the mustard here, désolée.

As an example, EVERY single Springfield Rifle Model 1873 in .45-70 MUST be proofed here, although they are almost 150 years old. We cannot have them as an antique, as ammunition is readily available...but the predecessor, the .50-70, can be bought by anybody over age 18.

You are totally correct with the dating, but it is very unusual not to find any other stamp. (Gallic shrug)

BTW, you are from further away than I am!! How did YOU get here?
I was looking on the web to know more about this gun, and what i've found here makes me think that it was the good place !
Members are very active and there is a lot of nice people here, like you are !

I've found another stamp but it doesn't seem to be a british proof mark... Maybe you know what it is ? (HB 2)
DSC_3953.JPG
 
Messages
6,787
Reactions
17,088
I know what it is - it IS a Birmingham proof mark for 1982.

F B = 1980

GB = 1981

HB = 1982

JB = 1983

KB = 1984

The number underneath is the inspector by seniority - so yours was inspected by Mr Number One!

After 1984, they reverted to crossed sceptres, letter and numbers for the inspector..

When I locate my list I'll post it here for everybody.
 
OP
Frenchie
Messages
16
Reactions
50
Great !

So it means that this gun was imported in UK in 1982.

I have a part of his history now. Thank you a lot!

Now i hope that i can learn more about his American history. Specialy the date of manufacturing.
 

UPCOMING EVENTS

Arms Collectors of SW Washington Gun Show
Battleground Community Center
912 E Main St, Battle Ground, WA 98604, USA
Cerberus Training Group - Skill Builder
Cerberus Training Group
47 Cattle Dr, Goldendale, WA 98620, USA
Cerberus Training Group - Skill Builder
Cerberus Training Group
47 Cattle Dr, Goldendale, WA 98620, USA
Cerberus Training Group - Run the Gun Pistol
Cerberus Training Group
47 Cattle Dr, Goldendale, WA 98620, USA

LATEST RESOURCE REVIEWS

  • Money Market Pawn Shop
    5.00 star(s)
    Excellent transfer and very helpful
    Was there yesterday and had my first private party transfer done. Went really smoothly and pj was very helpful. He was willing to make an...
  • MTS Enterprises Of WA
    5.00 star(s)
    Great guy to work with!
    Joe is a great guy to work with. A++++
  • Axis Manufacturing
    5.00 star(s)
    Axis Manufacturing is a pretty small shop located near the Spokane County Fairgrounds. Small does not mean underwhelming here. This shop really is...
  • Lucky Sporting Goods
    5.00 star(s)
    Honest and Knowledgeable Gun Guy
    I made arrangements to go out to Banks, Oregon to purchase a 300 Blackout rifle Jeremy built. It seemed to be exactly what I was looking for and...
  • Gooseneck Road
    4.00 star(s)
    8/1/2020
    We went there today, at the righthand fork past the shooter info sign, and at the spot where there's a fallen log across a trail; good backstop...
Top Bottom