Pistol to SBR to Pistol ????

[wired]

And if the gun can't become a rifle?

You purchase a Stribog A3. To my knowledge they only come as a pistol. The upper is serialized, so that gets the tax stamp. You do a form 1 to make it an SBR. Then have it removed from the registry. It can't become a rifle. Some are suggesting it can't go back to a pistol. So are you saying it would need to be destroyed?

Just follow the laws as usual - if its illegal to make a pistol into a rifle, then dont make a pistol into a rifle. Doesnt matter if the pistol is allowed to be an SBR where legal - if its not allowed to be a rifle, then its not allowed to be a rifle... make sense? NFA -only- allows you to have a short barreled rifle, it doesnt change anything else about the guns legality.

i think the rules on rifle to pistol and pistol to rifle have changed in the last decade or so, since i havent really been keeping up - used to be, the OFFICIAL (but totally unenforced) position of the ATF was that once a receiver was a pistol, it could never be a rifle... but sounds like thats changed.. even though we were all doing it anyway.. so a gun thats manufactured to be a pistol isnt ever going to be an SBR anyway.. but even if that rule has changed, the simple answer is: if its no longer in SBR configuration, all the normal rules for whatever it is still apply. If its illegal to make a pistol a rifle, dont make a pistol a rifle.

It was longer ago than a decade . USA v. Thompson Center in 1992 changed that . Now its pistol to rifle and back is OK. Rifle back to pistol not OK.

I saw a mention up there of overzealous ATF agents? Ever encountered an ATF agent out in the wild? Me neither.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

I saw a mention up there of overzealous ATF agents? Ever encountered an ATF agent out in the wild? Me neither.

I bet no one in Garfield wa (population 600) had either until local law enforcement called the atf and guy now faces jail time. Again everyone's tolerance for risk is different, the important thing is to be aware of the risks.

 

[The B]

I bet no one in Garfield wa (population 600) had either until local law enforcement called the atf and guy now faces jail time. Again everyone's tolerance for risk is different, the important thing is to be aware of the risks.

He built a fully functional destructive device and explosive projectiles to shoot from it - it wouldnt have been hard at all to not do that and not go to jail. I know these things sound ridiculous as reported, but you have to remember that theres always much more to the story.

beef between he and the police is really probably what led to the ATF getting involved. It was local police that called him for investigation of violation of NFA rules - its not like he was on the ATF radar or otherwise pursued by the ATF.

dont build unregistered 1.5" bore cannons in your garage and you will NEVER go to prison for building unregistered 1.5" cannons in your garage.

 

[The B]

Ugh god i flipping hate the NWFA editor.

 

[The B]

Granted - its pretty messed up his local police actually referred that to ATF... there are probably tens of thousands of illegal cannons in garages all across this country that nobody cares about... but for whatever reason, his local cops decided he was either an bubblegum or a danger and narc'd on him.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

Granted - its pretty messed up his local police actually referred that to ATF... there are probably tens of thousands of illegal cannons in garages all across this country that nobody cares about... but for whatever reason, his local cops decided he was either an bubblegum or a danger and narc'd on him.

Yep that's a problem with complaint driven processes. A complaint/phone call by Leo, private citizen, whoever can get u on atf radar.

I know one guy who had a complaint against him to a regulatory agency (not atf). The complaint was 100% BS (the complainer had mental health issues and went off). I know both the complainer and the businessman personally. The guy who had a complaint against him was a good guy and regular businessman. He ended up committing suicide after all the stress and money fighting it. The risks are real.

 

[The Heretic]

somehow wound up in the wrong thread

 

[The Heretic]

i think the rules on rifle to pistol and pistol to rifle have changed in the last decade or so, since i havent really been keeping up - used to be, the OFFICIAL (but totally unenforced) position of the ATF was that once a receiver was a pistol, it could never be a rifle... but sounds like thats changed.

Changed 40 years ago: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Thompson-Center_Arms_Co.

And has not changed since.

A handgun can become a rifle and then back to a handgun again, but if a firearm is originally manufactured as a rifle, it cannot become a handgun, it would be an SBR.

This has been discussed ad infinitum and there is plenty of info out there on this, including court documents ( https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/504/505/ https://tile.loc.gov/storage-services/service/ll/usrep/usrep504/usrep504505/usrep504505.pdf ) and documents on the ATF site ( https://www.atf.gov/file/55526/download ).

It isn't that hard to find the laws and court decisions on this issue.

 

[The B]

Changed 40 years ago: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Thompson-Center_Arms_Co.

And has not changed since.

A handgun can become a rifle and then back to a handgun again, but if a firearm is originally manufactured as a rifle, it cannot become a handgun, it would be an SBR.

This has been discussed ad infinitum and there is plenty of info out there on this, including court documents ( https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/504/505/ https://tile.loc.gov/storage-services/service/ll/usrep/usrep504/usrep504505/usrep504505.pdf ) and documents on the ATF site ( https://www.atf.gov/file/55526/download ).

It isn't that hard to find the laws and court decisions on this issue.

Yea, i just needed a refresher.

 

[Alexr4920]

Hmm, They also say it would be considered redesigning the gun if you physically altered the arm brace in any way to make it easier to use as a rifle ...

 

[wired]

Hmm, They also say it would be considered redesigning the gun if you physically altered the arm brace in any way to make it easier to use as a rifle ...

Yeah, they have no intention of allowing the brace thing to continue to breathe. Theres a lot of butt hurt coming in a couple of months.