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hey all, ive been loading with titegroup for my 9mm and 40sw.
i bought a jug of bullseye and am wondering what is a good starting point and a good load to use (alliants website only gives the max powder charge)

for 9mm i am using 115gn lead bullets
and 147 lead bullets
for 40sw i am using 180gn lead bullets

i know i should buy a reloading book, but im cheap lol
If you have max load reduce it by 25% and work back up. And remember that modern reloading data is very lawyered up compared to what you will find in a old reloading book. In most cases you are not going to blow anything up by loading at max load but then again it is not my hand shooting your reloads if you know what I mean.

Let me know if I can help,
Reloading The 9 MM Luger

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(WC= WadCutter, SWC= Semi-WadCutter,
HP= Hollow Point, RN= Round Nose, FMC= Full Metal Case, FMJ= Full Metal Jacket
JHP= Jacketed Hollow Point and if GC indicated, means Gas Check at bottom of lead bullet)

Loads for 9 MM Luger:
(Note: These are near maximum loads, you should use 10% less to start.)
(See note on Powders below or read all about various Powders.)
Bullet size is .355" (jacketed) in diameter. Cast bullets for 9mm (like Lead RN) are often .356" diameter.
Due to different barrel lengths, type of bullet, seating depth, primer type and other factors, you may not get near the FPS charted. It is just a guide and the reason you should start 10% under these charges and work up.
THESE ARE MAXIMUM LOADS! - NOTE, powder companies have reduced some of these hot and maximum loads after these figures were posted. You might check current loads from powder company before loading maximum loads.

90 grain JHP (Jacketed Hollow Point)
Bullseye 5.0 gr. 1,250 FPS
Unique 6.1 gr. 1,341
HP38 5.8 gr. 1,349
HS-6 8.1 gr. 1,380
No. 2 4.8 gr. 1,331
No. 5 6.8 gr. 1,343
231 5.1 gr. 1,305
100 grain JHP or FMC (Jacketed Hollow Point)
Bullseye 4.9 gr. 1,182 FPS
Unique 6.0 gr. 1,248
HP38 5.5 gr. 1,282
HS-6 7.5 gr. 1,313
No. 2 5.2 gr. 1,190
No. 5 6.8 gr. 1,200
No. 7 9.0 gr. 1,230
231 5.1 gr. 1,235
WAP 6.0 gr. 1,155
VV N350 6.0 gr. 1,180
115 grain FMC
Bullseye 4.3 gr. 1,180 FPS
Unique 6.1 gr. 1,185
Universal 5.0 gr. 1,149
Clays 3.9 gr. 1,095
HP38 5.1 gr. 1,167
No. 2 4.4 gr. 1,092
No. 5 7.0 gr. 1,192
231 4.2 gr. 1,135
WSL 4.5 gr. 1,105
WSF 5.7 gr. 1,165
WAP 6.0 gr. 1,162
VV N350 6.0 gr. 1,130
125 grain Lead RN (.356" dia)
Bullseye 4.7 gr. 1,105 FPS
Unique 6.0 gr. 1,165
No. 2 4.2 gr. 1,002
No. 5 6.2 gr. 1,133
231 4.0 gr. 1,035 updated 9-15-03 to lower 4.0 instead of 5.1
WSL 3.8 gr. 985
WSF 4.7 gr. 1,055
125 grain FMC or JHP
Bullseye 4.2 gr. 1,155 FPS
Unique 6.0 gr. 1,150
Universal 4.9 gr. 1,118
Clays 3.7 gr. 1,056
HP38 4.8 gr. 1,088
No. 2 4.1 gr. 1,057
No. 5 6.4 gr. 1,200
231 4.1 gr. 1,095
WSL 4.1 gr. 1,025
WSF 5.3 gr. 1,115
VV 3N37 6.3 gr. 1,165
145 grain Lead RN (Round Nose)
Bullseye 3.5 gr. 942 FPS
Unique 3.8 gr. 1,108
HS6 5.0 gr. 968
No. 2 3.7 gr. 893
No. 5 5.1 gr. 984
No. 7 7.2 gr. 1,052
WSF 3.9 gr. 961
147 grain FMJ or JHP
Bullseye 4.2 gr. 1,010 FPS
Unique 4.4 gr. 1,010
Universal 3.7 gr. 851
HS6 6.0 gr. 973
No. 2 4.0 gr. 888
No. 5 5.3 gr. 991
WSF 4.3 gr. 935
WAP 4.7 gr. 964
HP-38 3.5 grs. 818 to 825 fps (contributed by a friend)

Discussion: Bullseye is a fast burning powder and perhaps better suited to the small cases like the 9mm. It burns completely and fast. Unique is a very consistent burning powder and it is almost a tossup with the heavier bullets. Universal, Clays and HS6 are from Hodgdon and similar to Bullseye and Unique. HS6 is slowest of the group (Similar to 2400) and takes quite a bit more powder. Respectively are No.2 and No.5 from Accurate.
As you move up in loads, you at least need the gas check on the bottom of the bullet to prevent gas melting the lead and fouling the barrel. For any loads over 900 FPS, I suggest using a jacketed or plated bullet. Jacketed bullets create a bit more wear on the rifling, but it's better than trying to wire brush out a bunch of lead build up. Just depends on what kinds of loads you plan to shoot. A bullet with a copper gas check or copper plating is best for INDOOR ranges to keep lead vapors out of the air.
I've found alliant's data to be more than conservative. In fact so conservative on some of thier "max" loads that they don't even cycle. I would suggest cross-referencing your data with a sierra, hornady or other manual. I don't have them handy, but would highly recommend doing this. I would recommend starting out with bullseye at about .5gr below the "max listed" in the documentation from alliant. Be sure to take the time and test out the loads before you load up a bunch of them!
FWIW - I loaded 14 rounds 9mm 115gr. RN, OAL 1.103 with 4.6gr. Bullseye yesterday afternoon, test fired these in a couple different guns and now good to go knock out some bulk.
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