National Pistol Brace rule Dropped!

[Aero Denezol]

Interesting. I just noticed this. No stamp. Guess that purty thing is reserved for paying customers only?

Interesting. No engraving requirement either.

The whole thing is kind of suspect but whatever. I just did the one (1) AR anyway.

 

[Member 34319]

1/13/2023

Shoot I submitted 1/14.

Hope I did this right.

 

[GWS]

Shoot I submitted 1/14.

Hope I did this right.

View attachment 1371980

Bubba would be proudof you.

 

[The Heretic]

And it isn't just pistol braces either - it is also braces for "firearms" (Mossberg Shockwave), which they are now calling "pistol grip shotguns" even though legally they are not shotguns. These too are a "loophole" that the ATF has said are legal - how long before they go after these as SBSes?

https://www.reddit.com/r/Firearms/comments/11leqnc

 

[VinnieBoomBah]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Firearms/comments/11leqnc

IIRC they said they were SBS in the FAQ / rule change that started this thread

 

[wired]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Firearms/comments/11leqnc

If a brace is now called a stock yeah, they are legally shotguns

 

[JedB]

just received notice that my application was approved (stamped conditionally Pursuant to ATF Final Rule 2021R-08F. Quick turn around on this.

Did you have electronic or paper-card fingerprints?

 

[bradsteen]

IIRC they said they were SBS in the FAQ / rule change that started this thread

From the reddit thread:

Below is the response I received from the ATF when asking about the new ruling and how it affects the Mossberg Shockwave.

Thank you for your recent inquiry to the Firearms Industry Programs Branch (FIPB). This is in response to your email, in which you inquired whether final rule 2021R-08F affects the "firearm" status of the Mossberg Shockwave with a stabilizing arm brace. In your message, you stated that you want to confirm that the Mossberg Shockwave does not become a short barreled shotgun under the new rules.

The final rule only applies to "rifles" and its amended definition which now states clearly that the term "designed, redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder" includes a weapon that is equipped with an accessory, component, or other rearward attachment (e.g., a "stabilizing brace"), that provides surface area that allows the weapon to be fired from the shoulder, provided other factors (as described in the rule) indicate the weapon is designed, made, and intended to be fired from the shoulder.

The final rule does not apply to firearm configurations other than rifles, thus you would not need to register a Mossberg Shockwave. The design of the Shockwave does not have a rifled bore, and therefore is not a rifle. If the firearm cannot be a rifle, then it cannot be a short-barreled rifle. These firearms cannot be pistols, because by definition, a pistol is designed to be fired with one hand. These firearms are not shotguns, because they are not designed to be fired from the shoulder. Therefore, The Mossberg Shockwave is categorized as "other" firearms. Again, this firearm design is not impacted by final ruling 2021R-08F and no NFA registration is required at this time.

 

[CZP07]

Did you have electronic or paper-card fingerprints?

paper

 

[VinnieBoomBah]

From the reddit thread:

The forum quote function failed me, this was the part I was replying to:

The Heretic said:
And it isn't just pistol braces either - it is also braces for "firearms" (Mossberg Shockwave), which they are now calling "pistol grip shotguns" even though legally they are not shotguns. These too are a "loophole" that the ATF has said are legal - how long before they go after these as SBSes?


So Shockwave with pistol grip = what the ATF guy said, Shockwave with "brace" = SBS

 

[The Heretic]

The forum quote function failed me, this was the part I was replying to:

The Heretic said:
And it isn't just pistol braces either - it is also braces for "firearms" (Mossberg Shockwave), which they are now calling "pistol grip shotguns" even though legally they are not shotguns. These too are a "loophole" that the ATF has said are legal - how long before they go after these as SBSes?


So Shockwave with pistol grip = what the ATF guy said, Shockwave with "brace" = SBS

I am hoping I was wrong when I posted that. Per the Reddit thread, it seems I was.

That said, given how the ATF changes their policy/rule/regs based on the whim of the POTUS (both Trump & Biden), and given that they stated in the proposed rule that the Shockwave/et. al. with a brace were SBS and other things they stated, I would not be surprised if these "firearms" are on their list of things to address in the near future.

It is quite probable (IMO) that they just did not want to muddy the waters any more than they already have with regards to braces.

 

[pdxjimbo]

Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton Takes on the ATF Over Their Bizarre Pistol Brace Rule

Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton Takes on the ATF Over Their Bizarre Pistol Brace Rule

Ken Paxton has successfully challenged the bump stock rule, he's probably going to win this one, too.

redstate.com

 

[wired]

Approved at 75 days. Longest one yet.

 

[CamoDeafie]

Mine came yesterday, 53 days. Waiting on a nice retro CAR-15 stock to complete the Model 735 look. Have a thread down in the NFA subforum

 

[VinnieBoomBah]

Mine came yesterday, 53 days. Waiting on a nice retro CAR-15 stock to complete the Model 735 look. Have a thread down in the NFA subforum View attachment 1385197

Is that a commercial or MilSpec tube?

 

[wired]

Is that a commercial or MilSpec tube?

NVM

 

[CamoDeafie]

Is that a commercial or MilSpec tube?

I think it's commercial.

 

[CamoDeafie]

Neither. Much narrower. Not a buffer tube at all.

It IS a carbine tube

 

[Glockguy97]

So is there a definitive answer as to whether the SBR/pistol has to remain in that configuration or can you slap a stock on there?

Sorry if this has been discussed in the 81 previous pages, don't see why not but also I would like to believe the AFT would be hip to that.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

So is there a definitive answer as to whether the SBR/pistol has to remain in that configuration or can you slap a stock on there?

Sorry if this has been discussed in the 81 previous pages, don't see why not but also I would like to believe the AFT would be hip to that.

Yes stock vertical grip etc all are ok once it's approved.