National Pistol Brace rule Dropped!

[PiratePast40]

First of all, thanks for taking notes. Second, it sounds like no form 1 engraving needs to be done then to the registered SBRs?

That's what it sounds like to me but there are people that don't have that opinion. I thought the ATF lady was pretty clear about adapting the existing makers markings and that no additional engraving was required. Some are saying to apply the standard Form 1 rules that show you as the maker and that you need to add your own engraving.

 

[CZP07]

all I can say is I was pretty confident after filling out and submitting the form. But now with the multitude of different interpretations I am worried Black suited men in silent helicopters with collapsible-stock MP5's will kick in my front door, kill my cats and whisk me away to super-max prison. Where I'll finally lose those 11 stubborn pounds being forced to eat only bread and water, while being passed around as a punk.
or, I'll just wait the 27 months it will take the ATF and FBI to get around to reading my form

 

[Yarome]

all I can say is I was pretty confident after filling out and submitting the form. But now with the multitude of different interpretations I am worried Black suited men in silent helicopters with collapsible-stock MP5's will kick in my front door, kill my cats and whisk me away to super-max prison. Where I'll finally lose those 11 stubborn pounds being forced to eat only bread and water, while being passed around as a punk.
or, I'll just wait the 27 months it will take the ATF and FBI to get around to reading my form

Sounds like you're fully up to speed and the alphabets plan is working exactly as intended.

Kudos~!!

 

[DunRanull]

I was ignorant of the fact that the pistol brace ruling was dropped- I understood that it is now in full effect, far from being dropped. But wudda I know, eh?

 

[Aero Denezol]

Wait wait wait...
I think I misread something, the tax exemption only applies to completed firearms with attached stabilizing braces... so I can't register a stripped lower receiver under tax exemption, but I can if I pay the tax?

Essentially, yes.

If the brace was attached before 1/31 you are tax stamp exempt, but you cannot assemble something new to take advantage of the exemption post 1/31.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

Essentially, yes.

If the brace was attached before 1/31 you are tax stamp exempt, but you cannot assemble something new to take advantage of the exemption post 1/31.

Also it can't be a stripped lower it has to be a complete firearm with brace (for the tax forebearance).

 

[ilikegunspdx]

Wait wait wait...
I think I misread something, the tax exemption only applies to completed firearms with attached stabilizing braces... so I can't register a stripped lower receiver under tax exemption, but I can if I pay the tax?

Like, tax exemption only applies to completed firearms, and 922r compliance is dismissed for the forbearance/amnesty period?

Yes on the 922r question:

 

[FireArm]

 

[Aero Denezol]

Also it can't be a stripped lower it has to be a complete firearm with brace (for the tax forebearance).

Just to clarify, it can be assembled from a stripped lower and a parts kit + brace as long as it was assembled before 1/31. You don't need to have purchased a complete firearm with brace (e.g., Banshee, etc.).

At least that's how I understood it.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

Just to clarify, it can be assembled from a stripped lower and a parts kit + brace as long as it was assembled before 1/31. You don't need to have purchased a complete firearm with brace (e.g., Banshee, etc.).

At least that's how I understood it.

Good clarification. I was just referring to one of the questions where they asked what if a have a lower and brace attached but no barrel. They said no because it's not complete firearm.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

FYI here is link for schedule and access to tomorrow's atf virtual training thingy (its a repeat of today's):

National - ATF virtual training on new brace rule on webx Jan 31 and FEB 1

I saw this on a gun trust site...

www.northwestfirearms.com

 

[Yarome]

Good clarification. I was just referring to one of the questions where they asked what if a have a lower and brace attached but no barrel. They said no because it's not complete firearm.

Ruh-oh.... I just now was reading a section from that webinar where they said "yes", a barrel/upper does not need to be attached, but in the box below you have to indicate there are multi caliber uppers associated with your submitted "SBR".

??

Anyone else get the feeling these webinars might lead to more confusion and conflicting info than it solves? (Gooberment SOP)

 

[ilikegunspdx]

Ruh-oh.... I just now was reading a section from that webinar where they said "yes", a barrel/upper does not need to be attached, but in the box below you have to indicate there are multi caliber uppers associated with your submitted "SBR".

??

Two different Qs covered that. One they said no barrel, no eligible (see q #32). The other was if I have multi caliber lower what do I do? That one is shown in q#34 on post #1455.

 

[Rkangel]

??

Anyone else get the feeling these webinars might lead to more confusion and conflicting info than it solves? (Gooberment SOP)

I think it already did. They still didn't directly answer some very important questions.

 

[DirectDrive]

I still hate the title of this thread.
Excites my wishful thinking.
But nooo, it's new-age speak.

Dang it

 

[Flymph]

I still hate the title of this thread.
Excites my wishful thinking.
But nooo, it's new-age speak.

Dang it

Same, I keep thinking in judicial terms...

 

[Flymph]

Thanks for the clarification guys!
I guess I only have two for the tax exemption

 

[Yarome]

Just an interesting tidbit...

"The government is claiming that only a small number of people will be affected by their about-face ruling on braced weapons."

The goobermint is projecting 60% compliance. (of the ones they are actually aware of)



I say... FLASH SALE! Today only!! 3 bottles of unicorn farts for the price of ONE!!
(Good Luck with that lil' woke-stains!)

 

[FireArm]

Just an interesting tidbit...

"The government is claiming that only a small number of people will be affected by their about-face ruling on braced weapons."

The goobermint is projecting 60% compliance. (of the ones they are actually aware of)



I say... FLASH SALE! Today only!! 3 bottles of unicorn farts for the price of ONE!!
(Good Luck with that lil' woke-stains!)

They also want to think there’s only 3-7 millions braces in circulation, when it’s actually 10-40 million.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

2nd (so far) pistol brace rule lawsuit filed. I wonder how many total will be filed.

1st lawsuit, northern district of texas, very favorable court