Peak Oil News

[Jamie6.5]

Look guys, I am NOT opposed to alternative energy sources.
I spent considerable dollars on my education in the area of the internal combustion engine and powering transportation.

But this "all or nothing" approach to petro based fuels, their efficiency and pollution has been more than an inconvenience to the industry that supplies our source of transportation and independence.
Industry can DO THIS. But the short term/immediate restrictions and regulations imposed thus far have done nothing but hamstring development for the long term.

 

[Wheeler44]

Exxon Valdez and the Macondo well in the Gulf have shown what fine stewards the oil companies are. Boy howdy did they just hop right in to get the environment cleaned back up. Go talk to the fishermen of Cook inlet today and you will hear what the folks on the gulf will be sayin' twenty years from now. And it ain't "we love big oil ".

 

[Jamie6.5]

And opening up exploration and drilling on land wouldn't resolve the GoM issue?

Tsk tsk,... Y'all keep missing the point!

 

[Jamie6.5]

Let's get back to the OPs original subject matter. You want to rail politically, go to NW Liberty.com.
will

No HONEST conversation can be held on this topic without addressing the enviro movement, and their affect legally and politically, on the oil industry, and the subject of transportation in the United States.
To dismiss the effects of the enviro-laws and politics from the discussion is disingenuous at best, and in reality, downright DIShonest.

 

[Blue Devil PA]

Exxon Valdez and the Macondo well in the Gulf have shown what fine stewards the oil companies are. Boy howdy did they just hop right in to get the environment cleaned back up. Go talk to the fishermen of Cook inlet today and you will hear what the folks on the gulf will be sayin' twenty years from now. And it ain't "we love big oil ".



Not be a sniper, but Exxon Valdez grounded on the Bligh Reef in the Prince William Sound. Cook Inlet is on the other side of the Kenai Peninsula. OK, Back to our regularly scheduled cage match.

 

[willseeker]

Have any of you read Kunstlers book? The Long Emergency"?

I challenge any of you...if you haven't read this book, get it and read it. And I in turn, will pick up whatever book you suggest.

To believe we can continue our way of life burning oil as we have for the last 100 years is refered to as "cognitive dissonance". You know there's a problem but can't accept it as real...or you just don't get it at all.


Will

 

[Trlsmn]

Realistically I have about <30 years left on this earth if I'm lucky so I just don't care about global warming or peak oil, sorry but it's true! It doesn't mean I will go out and start burning tires or leave the lights on 24/7 but then again I didn't do those things before people started cutting down record numbers of trees to print all their save the planet BS!

 

[willseeker]

Realistically I have about <30 years left on this earth if I'm lucky so I just don't care about global warming or peak oil, sorry but it's true! It doesn't mean I will go out and start burning tires or leave the lights on 24/7 but then again I didn't do those things before people started cutting down record numbers of trees to print all their save the planet BS!

We are all part of this problem but to leave it to the future to figure it out is escapism.

I expected more from you.

Will

 

[Siglvr]

To believe we can continue our way of life burning oil as we have for the last 100 years is refered to as "cognitive dissonance". You know there's a problem but can't accept it as real...or you just don't get it at all.


Will

Yup. Exactly. I'm pro-oil. It's great stuff and cheap to produce (for now but that will change). Yet some of you, like Jamie6.5, don't get it and need to turn off the blowhard right wing radio stations you listen too and think with your own brain for a moment. It is a finite resource. You can look at a picture of the earth and realize this in 5 seconds. You want to run up and drill in the arctic? Fine. But all you are doing is only slightly prolonging the inevitable shortages which WILL arrive with the assurance of our yearly seasons. It is coming, it will come. No force on earth will stop it. We must conserve this precious resource as much as possible, ESPECIALLY if there is no cost in doing so. That people go and drive low mileage POS vehicles is a disservice both to our country and our future. Our life are about to be rocked, in our lifetime, and it's not a good thing. You can drill all you want, but only via conservation and new energy source development will oue life's remain cushy. Talk to ANY oil geologist and they will tell you the EXACT same thing. Since inventing a cheap brand new form of energy is dubious, and we know we can easily conserve current oil with no pain (IE get the **** out of your 15 mpg car and get a better one), we should conserve and conserve now. Now.

Book I'd recommend: Daniel Yergins "The Prize". Amazon.com: The Prize: The Epic Quest for Oil, Money & Power (9781439110126): Daniel Yergin: Books Won the Pulitzer Prize for a reason. We should all of us voluntarily park our cars, especially those with massive SUV's and bike while we can, you'll live longer.

Regards to all.

 

[Artilleryman]

I'm not going to bother to do any research on the topic because it doesn't make a crap to me either way, but...I've read other theories on oil; that it isn't necessarily proven fact that oil is definitely the product of dead dinosaurs, ferns, etc but rather is a naturally occurring substance...............so if that happens to be the case it might not be a finite resource after all and all these goons and tree huggers will be s.o.l...but I'm too busy picking my nose right now, so somebody needs to research this and report back within the next couple of hours....write it up in triplicate, send me one copy, file the second copy, and destroy the third (security purposes)

 

[willseeker]

Book I'd recommend: Daniel Yergins "The Prize". Amazon.com: The Prize: The Epic Quest for Oil, Money & Power (9781439110126): Daniel Yergin: Books Won the Pulitzer Prize for a reason. Park your massive SUV and bike if you can, you'll live longer.
Regards to all.

Just what I was hoping for. Thanks Billcoe, I'm ordering "The Prize" from Amazon tonight , While some of us pick our nose.

Will

 

[Lord Kimbote]

I'm sorry to bring this back to survivalism, but I am interested in the time frame of prohibitively expensive oil (which is difficult to define, but we'll know it when it happens). In our country, political solutions are a long time coming, and the larger the issue they address, the longer it takes. While I wouldn't want to be known as a pessimist, I think we may have passed the point where we could turn our energy policy around in time to prevent calamitous circumstances. I posted the Wikileaks article because it indicates that OPEC may be losing one of their most important tools; the ability to regulate oil prices. They can make prices go up, but its hard to make them go down if they can't overproduce when they need to. And this shortfall is at current levels of global consumption, not taking into account the ongoing modernization of the PRC and India. So, practically, if the price of gas in 10 years is $10/gal, what will a loaf of bread cost? Or more importantly for this site, how much will a box of .45 cost?

 

[Jamie6.5]

Yup. Exactly. I'm pro-oil. It's great stuff and cheap to produce (for now but that will change). Yet some of you, like Jamie6.5, don't get it and need to turn off the blowhard right wing radio stations you listen too and think with your own brain for a moment. It is a finite resource. You can look at a picture of the earth and realize this in 5 seconds. You want to run up and drill in the arctic? Fine. But all you are doing is only slightly prolonging the inevitable shortages which WILL arrive with the assurance of our yearly seasons. It is coming, it will come. No force on earth will stop it. We must conserve this precious resource as much as possible, ESPECIALLY if there is no cost in doing so. That people go and drive low mileage POS vehicles is a disservice both to our country and our future. Your life is about to be rocked, in your lifetime, and it's not a good thing. You can drill all you want, but only via conservation and new energy source development will out life's remain cushy. Talk to ANY oil geologist and they will tell you the EXACT same thing.

Who's listening to blowhards? Certainly not me.
I don't get it? How many years have you spent in the automotive industry? more than my 36?
How much formal education do YOU have on the subject?
I said already I am all for seeking alternatives. I have already explained one way to conserve oil by 20% in the U.S.
Or did you miss that too, while you were running your mouth Mr blowhard left listener?

I just believe that the free market is better able to find, and develop them better than the dotgov that the socialists want at the helm of said project. History backs me up in this assertion.
So before you sling anymore crap why don't you ask sensible questions? Or do you already have ALL the answers? And if you do, why not share them?

In the meantime, in order for private industry (the REAL innovators) to do this, we, as a country, have to stop shooting ourselves in the foot economically.
Got that billcoe?
The idea that we can continue to clamp down on industry, causing them to expend huge resources fighting regulations and legal battles in the interim is foolish. Carter did this after the embargo in the '70s and it set us back years. When Reagan eased the restrictions on American car makers in the '80s is when the R&D was done that brought us viable fuel injection systems etc., that have dramatically reduced pollution and extended mileage.

But yet you all want to go back to the same policies. The very definition of insanity.
Heavy handed government wasn't the answer in the '70s and it isn't the answer now!

I never said oil was forever. I do say that the time and the resources to develop alternatives can be purchased with DOMESTIC oil revenues, when they are employed by industry.
But this is going to require political will. Not pie-in-the-sky, feelgood rules and laws from an all-empowered government.

Take your stimulus dollars, that the dotgov took from someone else, and go buy yourself a clue.

 

[Just Jim]

So, we are told we are out of oil for Joe Average, where does that head us? Consider your own life and what it means that you have no more gasoline for you to drive on. Look around you, what then?

jj

 

[Just Jim]

I'm sorry to bring this back to survivalism, but I am interested in the time frame of prohibitively expensive oil (which is difficult to define, but we'll know it when it happens). In our country, political solutions are a long time coming, and the larger the issue they address, the longer it takes. While I wouldn't want to be known as a pessimist, I think we may have passed the point where we could turn our energy policy around in time to prevent calamitous circumstances. I posted the Wikileaks article because it indicates that OPEC may be losing one of their most important tools; the ability to regulate oil prices. They can make prices go up, but its hard to make them go down if they can't overproduce when they need to. And this shortfall is at current levels of global consumption, not taking into account the ongoing modernization of the PRC and India. So, practically, if the price of gas in 10 years is $10/gal, what will a loaf of bread cost? Or more importantly for this site, how much will a box of .45 cost?

Perhaps the better question is if there isn't enough oil, are there too many people? Watch Schindlers List and discover how socialist would answer the question.

jj

 

[DirtyBird]

Hey everybody, I'm new here. My Internet name is DirtyBird. Good to meet you all.

Will, I read "The Long Emergency" a few years back. Talk about a life-changing event. That's one book that really changed my thinking about peak oil. "The Prize" is definitely worth reading too. That fellow has a new one out as well, but I haven't read it yet.

As for the rest of the thread, all this political talk sure depresses the **** out of me. To my ear, it's the exact equivalent of rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

One observation about private industry: What they're good at is maximizing revenue under the current set of circumstances. As an example - every kind of bank got into subprimes and those slice and dice mortgage-backed securities as quick as they could. 'cause the money was cheap and easy. What they're not particularly good at is looking for the next way to make a bunch of money. As an example - when the housing market crashed, many of those banks got caught with their pants down and failed.

So, what private industry's response to peak oil will be is a bunch of desperate flailing around and requests/demands for government bailouts. I'm basing that on private industry's responses to past crises. Put another way, I don't have any confidence in private industry's ability to weather this coming crisis. They'll just want a bunch of tax money for jets and bonuses.

I don't know if that means going all socialistic is really the answer. But I do know that I got done leg humping capitalism for capitalism's sake in November 2008.

 

[MikeE]

Hey everybody, I'm new here. My Internet name is DirtyBird. Good to meet you all.

Will, I read "The Long Emergency" a few years back. Talk about a life-changing event. That's one book that really changed my thinking about peak oil. "The Prize" is definitely worth reading too. That fellow has a new one out as well, but I haven't read it yet.

As for the rest of the thread, all this political talk sure depresses the **** out of me. To my ear, it's the exact equivalent of rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

One observation about private industry: What they're good at is maximizing revenue under the current set of circumstances. As an example - every kind of bank got into subprimes and those slice and dice mortgage-backed securities as quick as they could. 'cause the money was cheap and easy. What they're not particularly good at is looking for the next way to make a bunch of money. As an example - when the housing market crashed, many of those banks got caught with their pants down and failed.

So, what private industry's response to peak oil will be is a bunch of desperate flailing around and requests/demands for government bailouts. I'm basing that on private industry's responses to past crises. Put another way, I don't have any confidence in private industry's ability to weather this coming crisis. They'll just want a bunch of tax money for jets and bonuses.

I don't know if that means going all socialistic is really the answer. But I do know that I got done leg humping capitalism for capitalism's sake in November 2008.

What he said!

 

[Just Jim]

Hey everybody, I'm new here. My Internet name is DirtyBird. Good to meet you all.

Will, I read "The Long Emergency" a few years back. Talk about a life-changing event. That's one book that really changed my thinking about peak oil. "The Prize" is definitely worth reading too. That fellow has a new one out as well, but I haven't read it yet.

As for the rest of the thread, all this political talk sure depresses the **** out of me. To my ear, it's the exact equivalent of rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

One observation about private industry: What they're good at is maximizing revenue under the current set of circumstances. As an example - every kind of bank got into subprimes and those slice and dice mortgage-backed securities as quick as they could. 'cause the money was cheap and easy. What they're not particularly good at is looking for the next way to make a bunch of money. As an example - when the housing market crashed, many of those banks got caught with their pants down and failed.

So, what private industry's response to peak oil will be is a bunch of desperate flailing around and requests/demands for government bailouts. I'm basing that on private industry's responses to past crises. Put another way, I don't have any confidence in private industry's ability to weather this coming crisis. They'll just want a bunch of tax money for jets and bonuses.

I don't know if that means going all socialistic is really the answer. But I do know that I got done leg humping capitalism for capitalism's sake in November 2008.

LOL It's obviouse you don't understand where socialism leads. Watch the movie Schindlers List and discover the truth. There is no money produced in socialism and that is why in the long run it fails but not until the socialist have spent all the money and driven the world to war.

If capitalism fails then where do socialist get their money? Yep, their money is your money so keep watching as they steal yours.

jj

 

[Just Jim]

What he said!

Do you have a favorite American gun? If so was it socialism or capitalism that made it? If it's an import gun was it socialism or capitalism that imported it? How much oil did it take to get your gun to you?

jj

 

[MikeE]

There's enough similarity between what Hitler did and what Stalin did. But to say that socialism always leads to the Gulag is like saying that being a Unitarian or Quaker leads directly to torturing people on the rack in a Spanish Inquisition. Human thought, religion and ideology is always imperfect, and history shows that an extreme or fundamentalist position usually leads to the dead bodies piling up - whether it's fascism, marxism-leninism, or free market fundamentalism.
The socialized Norwegian energy industry was what I have in mind. No gulags or torture in Norway (unless you consider eating ludefisk cruel and unusual).They do deep water drilling in extreme environments, but have the world's strictest safety standards, unlike the cowboy crony-capitalist oil industry of the USA .