Paris, a look from a different angle.

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  1. rdb241

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    I see that there was a thread back in January about Paris police weapons. This kinda goes with that thread except with a question that was not asked.
    As tragic as one of the events are, I always get all analitical and pay attention to what kind of weapons the military and police carry. A while back there was an attack in Tunisia. Right away I noticed that the Tunisian military were carrying Steyr AUG's.
    In the first pic I found shows a Paris Police Officer holding what looks like a Ruger Mini14 but I am sure it is a Ruger AC556 select version. In the rest of the pictures, the officers are all carrying Beretta M12's. Why are they using WWII technology? I thought the MP5 was the standard? The Beretta was used for combat up through Viet Namn. Can't the French afford MP5's?

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  2. clearconscience

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    It's france, they outlawed guns and now the LEOs are stuck with decades old left overs.
    Probably think if something happens they will just raise the white flag and scream for help
     
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  3. David Bowman

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    Ummm, the answer is pretty obvious. They're French.

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  4. Sgt Nambu

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    Trust me, archaic weapons, but bright, shiny, new, white flags!:cool:
     
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  5. bolus

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    AK 47 - 1949
    Beretta M12 - 1959

    They are a decade ahead still

    I suspect in countries who are opposed to guns will have politicians opposed to spending money on upgraded weapons for the police. Especially when other countries *cough* do the world policing for them.
     
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  6. aljames

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    +1!! Add the cutting edge Mini [1974] to the mix and they may as well have ray guns;)

    Seriously though, the French LE version of the Mini is an interesting piece. Red Ruger rubber buttpad, folding charging handle, different rear sight, pass through sling slot[m1 carbine style] etc. I'm not sure they have any AC556's though as every picture that I have seen is missing a selector in the normal location.
     
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  7. erudne

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    The Mini is made in France under license they have beautiful French walnut stocks, some are hand checkered for a Kinder, more Genteel appearance, but they will kill you even better than an MP-5
     
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    There is a DEA agent (I think that was the branch) that had a tommy gun smithed and used it as his primary room clearing weapon.

    The boolits all put holes in you if you know how to aim the thing.
     
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  9. ConcreteJungle

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    Yeah, but i'd much rather have that AK still... ;)
     
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    It's not a rocket. Oh snap, who still has a space program?
     
  11. Stomper

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    I saw a soldier with a FAMAS...
     
  12. Velzey

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    I've seen police with lots of Famas, not a thing wrong with them! Seen lots of mp5's with their military..

    Their police seem to like then Ruger mini 14 ( slightly refined than what we are used to) and the is the Beretta m12 which I think is more reliable than the mp5!

    Seems to be a large number of these shotguns!

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  13. bolus

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    I obviously dont have any expertise on fighting terrorists, but it does not seem like the police there had enough training:




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  14. mjbskwim

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    Oh shyles,'ow do i get it off ma neck?

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  15. mjbskwim

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    Guy on the left
    'Don' worry my beebee a will not drop you 'ard,A will set you down as I back away'
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  16. Chee-to

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    French Police Mini-14
    Current events are not typically something that Forgotten Weapons is going to comment on, but the recent unpleasantness in France has brought to light a firearm that folks may find interesting – the Mousqueton AMD.

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    French police officer with a Mousqueton AMD (Mini-14)

    When French national police and security forces decided to replace the MAT-49 submachine gun as a standard weapon, they decided to look for a light carbine. Something less obviously military than the FAMAS was desired, and the natural choice was the Ruger Mini-14, whose slightly civilian appearance is often considered to be one of its primary strengths. Ruger licensed the design to the French, who have assembled them in-country with a few changes from the normal production model we are used to seeing here in the US.

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    Modified charging handle for Mousqueton AMD (thanks to Arnaud D. for the photo)

    The guns come with rubber buttpads and sling cutouts in the stock, as well as a slightly modified style of charging handle. They remain chambered for the 5.56mm NATO cartridge (which as a military caliber is requires a license for civilian use in France). The fire control system has a selector to allow semiauto, 3-round burst, and full-auto fire, and the receiver heel is marked specifically for the French:

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    French Mousqueton AMD receiver markings (thanks to Arnaud D. for the photo)

    “Mousqueton” is of course the French term for carbine, and the “A.M.D.” stands for Armements et Moyens de Défense which translates roughly to “defensive arms”. The “A.P.” is a property marking for the Administration Pénitentiaire, or Prison Service.

    All in all, a good choice of weapon for the purpose. I don’t have any information on how they have performed in practice for French security forces, but I expect they have done the job just fine.

    https://www.forgottenweapons.com/french-police-mini-14/
     
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  17. Capn Jack

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    Surprised they weren't chambered for 7.62x39.:D
     
  18. Boats

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    Is there anything indicating these firearms won't kill jihadi scum dead?

    It's not as if they are running about with smooth bore flintlocks or something.
     
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  19. mjbskwim

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    Well I don't doubt the rifle is capable if half the guys weren't carrying it like they were going to a parade
     
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