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Para Ordnance/Colt Combat Commander ??

Discussion in 'Handgun Discussion' started by doubletall, Dec 27, 2009.

  1. doubletall

    doubletall Tacoma, Wa Member

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    My father-in-law gave me the pictured gun.

    Is this thing a combination of two guns. It doesn't feed ammo
    very well and the slide isn't smooth at all. Someone at the range
    told me the parts aren't matched and I shouldn't continue using it.
    The frame is a double stack and from searching online I'm guessing
    that it is a conversion kit mated to the Colt slide. Anyone have any
    experience with these? Opinions????

    Thanks.
     
  2. VinnieBoomBah

    VinnieBoomBah Hillsboro OR Active Member

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    The original Para Ordnance frames were sold as a "kit" so they could be added to an existing slide, just like yours. Most of them didn't work very well because the people that put them together did not always know what they were doing.
    So how is it jamming? Most 1911 fixes are easy enough once you know what your doing.
     
  3. RockKrawler

    RockKrawler Gresham Member

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    Contact Wichaka on this board,he can more than likely help you out on the problems you are experiencing.
     
  4. doubletall

    doubletall Tacoma, Wa Member

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    As the slide strips a round it jams as it noses into the barrel.
     
  5. VinnieBoomBah

    VinnieBoomBah Hillsboro OR Active Member

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    'K. Do they feed OK by hand if you pull the slide all the way back and let it fly forward? What ammo are you using?
     
  6. JAFO

    JAFO OR, USA Silver Supporter Silver Supporter

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    Is that the only magazine you have? Does it say or have a Para-Ordnance symbol on it? You may want to try another newer Para mag. But answer Vinnie's questions too. Are you trying 230 gr ball ammo?
     
  7. doubletall

    doubletall Tacoma, Wa Member

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    I'm using 230 gr ball. If the slide is locked open and I load
    a magazine and pull the slide and let it go it will jam about
    half the time. The magazines are Para Ordnance.
     
  8. VinnieBoomBah

    VinnieBoomBah Hillsboro OR Active Member

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    JAFO OR, USA Silver Supporter Silver Supporter

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  10. wichaka

    wichaka Wa State Well-Known Member

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    OUCH! My areas are a burnin!

    Pictures...need pictures and more info.

    Post a pic of the stoppage you're getting. Also post a pic with the slide locked back, with a very clear view inside the port looking toward the barrel...showing the ramp etc.
     
  11. doubletall

    doubletall Tacoma, Wa Member

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    I'll get some detailed pics. up tonight when I get home.

    Thanks for all the replies.
     
  12. VinnieBoomBah

    VinnieBoomBah Hillsboro OR Active Member

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    Do you have any oil on that? It looks bone dry. That, along with week springs, might be enough to give you those stoppages.
     
  13. wichaka

    wichaka Wa State Well-Known Member

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    Possible extractor tension problem. That frame looks rough, and the ramp doesn't appear to be square to the barrel...might be the pic.

    How's the barrel ramp and throat...anyone mess with it?

    What's the history of the gun? How long you had it? How many rounds thru it since you've had it?
     
  14. doubletall

    doubletall Tacoma, Wa Member

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    I did oil the slide but perhaps sparingly. I haven't done much research
    on 1911s as far maintenance goes.
     
  15. doubletall

    doubletall Tacoma, Wa Member

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    I don't know much about the gun. I just got it one the 26th and have put maybe 20 rounds through it. I'll have to ask my father-in-law what he knows
    about it. If it's been modified I'm sure he didn't do any of the work himself.
     
  16. wichaka

    wichaka Wa State Well-Known Member

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    The gap from the frame ramp to the barrel looks a bit long. Should be 1/32" or less.

    Am coming up your way the middle of next month, can look it over in person then.
     
  17. VinnieBoomBah

    VinnieBoomBah Hillsboro OR Active Member

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    There are lots of opinions on the right way to do it, but this will give you a good idea of were to start. :thumbup:
    http://www.wonderhowto.com/how-to/video/how-to-lubricate-an-auto-pistol-245589/
     
  18. doubletall

    doubletall Tacoma, Wa Member

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    I did another lube job and was much more liberal with the
    amount of oil. Feeding by releasing the slide has improved testing it in my garage. Hopefully I can get to the range soon to check it out in action.
     
  19. VinnieBoomBah

    VinnieBoomBah Hillsboro OR Active Member

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    Glad that seemed to help. Now, if you would like to try a little bit more, and are comfortable with sandpaper, you might try smoothing the feed ramp. The gap that wichaka is saying should not be more than 1/32 is the space between the little red lines. You do not want to try and change that yourself. ;) Seriously, if you don't know what your doing, removing metal from this area, while not dangerous, can ruin your frame. Now polishing metal, that's another thing all together! :thumbup: The two areas circled in yellow are the feed ramp (on the frame) and the barrel throat (on the, well, barrel). Those areas should be smooth. They do not have to be mirror bright, but right now they look like the preverbal 12 miles of bad road. To do this, all you need to do is field strip your gun and with some very fine sandpaper (nothing courser than 400, 600 or 800 is better) polish those areas. The barrel you will most likely need to do with a small piece and your finger, but on the frame find something round that fits the feed ramp, like a sharpie, or maybe an empty 308 cartridge case. Remember, you are not trying to remove any metal or change any of the angles. This is just polishing, and for goodness sake, do not think that this would be a great place for a power tool! :eek: Just stay within the lines and smooth it out a bit. In fact, just use 800 grit. :thumbup: It will do what you need.
     
  20. 9mmMike

    9mmMike Gladstone, OR Member

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    Great helpful posts Guys.....