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Discussion in 'General Firearm Discussion' started by Cougfan2, Feb 18, 2010.

  1. Cougfan2

    Cougfan2 Hillsboro, OR Well-Known Member

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    I had to laugh at this article, although when you think about it, it's not that funny.

    Report: Officers lose 243 Homeland Security gunsFebruary 18, 2010 10:04 a.m. EST

    Of the 243 guns lost by Homeland Security agencies, 179 are gone because officers didn't secure them, a report says.STORY HIGHLIGHTS
    Customs, ICE officers "did not always sufficiently safeguard their firearms," report says
    Of 243 guns, 179 were lost "because officers did not properly secure them"
    Guns were left in unlocked cars, fast food restaurants, bowling alleys
    Homeland Security responds by overhauling property management policy

    U.S. Department of Homeland Security
    U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement
    U.S. Customs and Border Protection
    Washington (CNN) -- Nearly 180 Department of Homeland Security weapons were lost -- some falling into the hands of criminals -- after officers left them in restrooms, vehicles and other public places, according to an inspector general report.

    The officers, with Customs and Border Patrol and Immigration and Customs Enforcement, "did not always sufficiently safeguard their firearms and, as a result, lost a significant number of firearms" between fiscal year 2006 and fiscal year 2008, the report said.

    In all, 243 firearms were lost in both agencies during that period, according to the January report from Inspector General Richard Skinner. Of those, 36 were lost because of circumstances beyond officers' control -- for instance, ICE lost a firearm during an assault on an officer. Another 28 were lost even though officers had stored them in lockboxes or safes.

    But 74 percent, or 179 guns, were lost "because officers did not properly secure them," the report said.

    Following a review of the draft report in December, Homeland Security took steps to implement its recommendations and overhaul its property management policy, according to a response in the report. A department spokeswoman did not immediately return a call from CNN Thursday seeking comment.

    The report concluded the department did not have specific procedures and policies in place regarding firearms. "Instead, DHS relied on its components to augment its general property management policies and procedures with specific guidance for safeguarding and controlling firearms," it said. "Although some component policies and procedures for safeguarding firearms were sufficient, personnel did not always follow them."

    The inspector general cited several examples of "inappropriate practices." A customs officer, for instance, left a firearm in an idling vehicle in the parking lot of a convenience store. The vehicle was stolen while the officer was inside. "A local law enforcement officer later recovered the firearm from a suspected gang member and drug smuggler," the report said.

    In addition, an ICE officer left an M-4 rifle and a shotgun unsecured in a closet at his home. Both weapons were stolen in a burglary and later recovered from a felon, according to the report. Another officer left his firearm in the restroom of a fast-food restaurant, and it was gone when he returned.

    "Other CBP and ICE officers left firearms in places such as a fast food restaurant parking lot, a bowling alley and a clothing store," the report said.

    "Although our review focused on CBP and ICE, other components described similar incidents. For example, a TSA officer left a firearm in a lunch box on the front seat of an unlocked vehicle; the officer realized the firearm was stolen when he returned to the vehicle two days later," said the report. "Officers may have prevented many of these losses had they exercised reasonable care when storing their weapons."

    Of the 179 lost because of laxity, 120 were reported stolen and 59 as lost, the report said. That resulted from the agencies' lack of guidance on a standard method for classifying and reporting lost firearms, as well as "a common perception among officers that reporting a stolen firearm was more acceptable than reporting a lost firearm.

    "Although CBP and ICE reported 120 firearms as stolen, our analysis showed that these firearms were lost (stolen) because officers left the firearms unsecured," according to the report. "All 179 losses may have been prevented had the officers properly secured their firearms."

    The department had about 188,500 weapons in its inventory as of last summer, the report said. The majority are assigned to Customs and Border Protection and ICE officers, but others are carried by agencies including the U.S. Coast Guard, the U.S. Secret Service and the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center.
  2. rdb241

    rdb241 Puyallup Washington Gold Supporter Gold Supporter

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    Gee...I wonder if any of those guns might show up in a crime somewhere?
  3. deadeye

    deadeye Albany,OR. Moderator Staff Member

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    And we are the ones they want to take guns away from........:huh:
  4. TAT2D

    TAT2D Portland Member

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  5. NWPilgrim

    NWPilgrim Portland area Member

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    Now we know where all the alleged US guns came from that show up in the Mexican cartel firefights. :)

    I know 279 is a miniscule fraction of the number of total issued firearms for DHS, but come one the Dept. of Homeland SECURITY cannot SECURE their own weapons?

    I wonder how many firearms go missing by lax security of individual military grunts? Not talking about organized theft, just lax security. I suspect it is a much lower percentage because they are actually HELD ACCOUNTABLE for every firearm and every round of ammo.

    Funny in a "govt held to different stds than Joe Citizen" kind of way. :(
  6. Silver Fox

    Silver Fox Puyallup, WA Well-Known Member

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    Gun Control begins with Government Control :thumbup:

  7. Ian1816

    Ian1816 Oregon City Active Member

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    This article didn't make me laugh. This kind of blatant unprofessional should not be accepted in an agency with a job as important as the DOHS.
  8. cbzdel

    cbzdel Tacoma, WA Member

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    My neighbor is a security officer, not sure for what he told me before but I really wasnt pay much attention. But he gets to carry a gun and just the other day I found a loaded magazine next to his drivers door on the ground next to his truck.. Took it to him and asked him about it and he said "oh shhhh!!! not again".. I replied with "its happened before??" he laughed and said "yea a few times but its only a magazine, not like a bad guy can kill anyone with it"

    I just shook my head and walked away, I think he misses the point...

    (I know its not as bad as losing a gun but still if you are clumsy enough to lose a mag I am sure you could lose a gun and not know it)
  9. husker

    husker portland Active Member

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    This is were my tax dollars go? To buy new guns that have been lost.
  10. rdb241

    rdb241 Puyallup Washington Gold Supporter Gold Supporter

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  11. jmx369

    jmx369 Bellingham, Wa New Member

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    Does anyone want to buy one? JK
  12. Buddhalux

    Buddhalux Hillsboro, Oregon Active Member

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    Damn near zero I'd imagine. I did a couple of drop zone crawls at arms length from the guy to my left and right across the entire DZ because a moronic LT forgot to put his retaining leash on his M9 before he jumped.
  13. Redcap

    Redcap Lewis County, WA Well-Known Member

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  14. Ragingpit

    Ragingpit Rochester,WA Member

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