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Oregon Special Session

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by Sstrand, Sep 20, 2013.

  1. Sstrand

    Sstrand La Grande OR Well-Known Member

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    Do we need to be alert for any sneaky anti-2nd amendment moves during the special session??? I don't trust those people!!
    I have heard the term "Gut and Stuff." I am not sure how that works or would apply here.

    Sheldon
     
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  2. DieselScout

    DieselScout S Clackamas County Well-Known Member

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    I think you answered your own question.

    I am always alert around people I don't trust.
     
  3. PiratePast40

    PiratePast40 Willamette Valley Well-Known Member

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    Next election cycle, there will be 5 or 6 Oregon Republicans stepping down. Keep your eyes and ears open!
     
  4. U201491

    U201491 Well-Known Member

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    How to stay alert and in the loop.

    Keep a very close eye on our state legislators agendas on a daily basis. You can subscribe to their alerts on a daily basis that will outline the planned agendas.
    Here is the site I use, but also goes to the full site.

    http://www.leg.state.or.us/m/home.html

    And
    http://www.leg.state.or.us/m/home.html#agendas

    A subcribe service is available to get them sent to you daily is available.
    Use it, Be alert.
     
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  5. Morpheus

    Morpheus Columbia Gorge Anyway, back on the farm.

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    Yes, be vigilant. But considering they have so many things on their agenda, if they take time to screw around with gun control then they will be wasting even more time than they already have this year.

    Lets see, budget issues, screwing with people's pensions, and school funding, are just a few that might be a little more important.
     
  6. PiratePast40

    PiratePast40 Willamette Valley Well-Known Member

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    For this session, yes, I agree. Even the hardcore gun grabbers in Portland can see it's a waste of time and political energy to go after what the people have shown they don't want.
     
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  7. U201491

    U201491 Well-Known Member

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    Don't count on it. They are not the brightest things on the planet.
    They will try again.
    They will follow their leaders BS
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  8. Stomper

    Stomper Oceania Rising White Is The New Brown Silver Supporter

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    And just WHEN did they ever give a tinkers' dam about what the people "want"?
     
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  9. U201491

    U201491 Well-Known Member

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    They dont, but they can be made to fear the loss of their job via election or recall ! This country was formed on representation and its damned well time we bring that back to the forefront. Make them give a damn !
    Its what they were "hired" for. We ARE their board of directors ! Its damned well time we acted like it.
    Its damned well time they act like it or suffer the consequences.
     
  10. Nick Burkhardt

    Nick Burkhardt NE Oregon Well-Known Member

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    No, they just want to steal from our pensions to fill their budget shortfall. I worked for the public when I was younger with the agreement that put in nearly six years at low wages, to get vested in a decent pension plan that would grow to a reasonable amount to help supplement my retirement. Less money now, more money later. That was the deal. Now Oregon wants to break that deal.
     
  11. PDXoriginal

    PDXoriginal PNW Well-Known Member

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    Remind them that Portland and the fools from commie fornia don't represent the entire state of Oregon.

    And don't forget Colorado whose citizens recently recalled anti gun politicians, despite having experienced one of the worst school and theater shootings.
     
  12. Father of four

    Father of four Portland, Oregon Well-Known Member

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    It was not a waste of time for the gun grabbers!!!!! Innocent law abiding citizens had more of their/our rights taken away/infringed upon this year with that Multnomah County ordinance that outlawed loaded open carry. The gun grabbers are gaining ground!!!!!!!
     
  13. Father of four

    Father of four Portland, Oregon Well-Known Member

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    MULTNOMAH COUNTY PASSES ANTI-GUN ORDINANCES - Oregon Firearms Federation

    "MULTNOMAH COUNTY PASSES ANTI-GUN ORDINANCES

    04.25.13

    Today, the Multnomah County Commissioners unanimously passed an ordinance to demonize gun owners while having no effect on criminals or the violently mentally ill.

    Although the County website often removes or changes URLs, the most recent one containing the ordinance can be seen here.

    While there will be more on this in coming days, including reports from OFF members who attended the hearing, here is the summary:

    Open loaded carry will now be illegal in Multnomah County for non-licensees.

    Only security guards who work at banks will be allowed to be armed. Armed guards elsewhere would be prohibited (Apparently much of the “gun violence” is being committed by security guards.)

    It will now be unlawful for a person without a CHL to have a loaded magazine or speed loader in any public place, including your car, anywhere in the county.

    It will now be unlawful to refuse to allow the police to inspect a magazine you have…even if you don’t have a gun!

    It will now be a crime to allow a minor to have access to one of your firearms, unless of course, you’ve given him permission to have it. (We know, it makes no sense.)

    This won’t apply if the minor was on your property illegally. This won’t apply if your gun had a trigger lock. The County has not explained how they will prove your firearm did NOT have a trigger lock. We are confident that all guns that are obtained by minors from this point on, will be reported to have had trigger locks. (It would appear that none of the County Commissioners are Mensa candidates.)

    If your firearm is stolen and you don’t report the theft within 48 hours of “knowing or having reason to know” that it was stolen, you face a $2,500.00 fine. We predict there will be lots of people who didn’t “know” their guns were stolen.

    If your gun is stolen and you can’t provide a serial number, you will be charged a $200.00 “administrative fee.” They don’t say what that fee is supposed to cover.

    All in all, pointless rules that are only intended to harass and demonize gun owners. The Sheriff of Multnomah County thinks these rules are a great idea. (The County has no rules punishing people who allow minors access to their car keys.)

    Reports are that the overwhelming majority of people who testified were in opposition.

    More info to follow.

    On another note, Ceasefire Oregon is encouraging its few supporters to lean on Senator Betsy Johnson to support gun control even though she has repeatedly stated in writing she will not. As you may know, Senator Johnson is hospitalized following a car accident. The gun bills passed by the Senate Judiciary Committee have not yet been scheduled for a floor vote and some are saying it’s because Senator Johnson is not available. But this makes sense ONLY it the Democrats in control are convinced that with enough time they can change her vote. If she’s not available, her absence is the same as a “no” vote. Now is no time to let up. Please continue to contact the legislators and urge them to vote “NO” on all gun control bills."
     
  14. Father of four

    Father of four Portland, Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Coming to your city/county next?

    The gun ordinance: Does it apply to cities in Multnomah County? | Local & Regional | KATU.com - Portland News, Sports, Traffic Weather and Breaking News - Portland, Oregon

    "GRESHAM, Ore. – The big question is, can county laws override city laws? ( It can and did The Bill Of Rights!)

    But all Roxanne Ross wants to know is whether she can use her gun the way she wants to in Gresham.

    Ross planned to file a lawsuit on Friday against Multnomah County challenging whether a county gun-control ordinance that went into effect in May applies to Gresham, which has contradictory laws on the books.

    “Sometimes I think it’s difficult for Gresham because they’re the little city to the east of Portland and in Multnomah County,” Ross said Thursday. “Most of the county commissioners are elected by Portland, and so sometimes we just get kind of run over by the policies that come out of Portland.”

    The ordinance in question would prohibit possession of a loaded firearm in public places and prohibit firing guns anywhere in the county, among other things.

    Ross’ attorney, Bruce McCain, said he notified the county this spring of his intention to file the lawsuit. He compared the ordinance to the county’s animal-control law, arguing that every city in the county has passed its own animal-control regulations that differ from the county’s.

    “Gresham, Troutdale, Fairview, Wood Village - there's nothing to stop their city councils from saying, you know what, we like the county gun ordinance, we're going to adopt it as our own and it applies inside our city,” McCain said. “They can do that, but they haven't.”

    Ross said she owns a gun for peace of mind, not as a hobby. Her youngest son asked her to buy a gun for protection after he left home to join the Army.

    “Police are wonderful, but they always come after the problem,” she said. “Most gun owners never need to fire them – it is just that peace of mind that, should that sort of violent crime come your way, that you just won’t be defenseless.”

    The point of the lawsuit is to include language in the ordinance that specifies that cities within the county can rely on their own laws on the matter, Ross said.

    “Bad things happen in gun-free zones,” she said. “The criminals, they just love these kinds of ordinances that intimidate the lawful gun owners from getting a firearm for personal protection.

    “That’s the part that’s so hard for people. They think ‘I can learn the rules now and they might change them later on’ – and that deters people from owning a gun.”



    http://www.oregonlive.com/gresham/index.ssf/2013/07/five_residents_of_gresham_trou.html

    "Five residents of cities in east Multnomah County filed suit Friday against the county, claiming county commissioners overstepped their bounds in April by passing a gun-control law banning loaded firearms not only in unincorporated areas, but city limits, too.

    The residents argue that county commissioners had the power to limit guns only in unincorporated areas — where about 2 percent of the county’s roughly 750,000 residents live. The lawsuit contends that the commissioners’ powers do not apply to people within the city limits of Fairview, Gresham, Maywood Park, Troutdale or Wood Village — even though the gun-control ordinance states: “This ordinance will apply countywide unless a city within Multnomah County enacts separate legislation on this same subject matter.”

    The ordinance, which took effect in late May, is largely modeled after a law passed by the Portland City Council in 2010. The Multnomah County ordinance, among other requirements:

    bans possession of loaded firearms in public places, with some exceptions, such as licensed hunters engages in legal hunting.
    makes punishable by a $500 fine and 10 days in jail the offense of “Endangering a Child by Allowing Access to a Firearm.” The ordinance allows for exceptions, such as gun owners who locked their guns in a safe.
    creates a curfew of 7 p.m. for minors who have been found by a court to have unlawfully possessed a gun.

    Attorney Bruce McCain, who retired as a captain in the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office in 2009, filed the suit on behalf of the five east county residents: Roxanne Ross, Cheryl R. Bowen, Frank Martin, Frank Grande and Brian Grattan. Three live in Gresham, one in Troutdale and one in Fairview.

    McCain said he’s heard from city council members from all three cities. They say they’re unhappy with county commissioners’ attempt to overstep their authority, he said.

    McCain said he plans to address each of those councils during meetings this week and next week.

    The lawsuit was filed in Multnomah County Circuit Court. It asks a judge to find that the ordinance doesn’t apply to cities, unless the city councils pass legislation saying it does.

    County spokesman David Austin said the county isn’t commenting on the suit because of the pending litigation.

    “Our county attorney’s office will look at the suit, and we will defend it. We stand by the ordinance.” 

    -- Aimee Green"
     
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  15. Father of four

    Father of four Portland, Oregon Well-Known Member

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    “Police are wonderful, but they always come after the problem,” she said. “Most gun owners never need to fire them – it is just that peace of mind that, should that sort of violent crime come your way, that you just won’t be defenseless.”

    Exactly right Ms.Ross!!!!!!!!!!!! Its hard to do that with a gun that has no bullets in it. We non-CHL permission carriers should have firearms rights too. Just not with ammo included? Keep our peace of mind at home?
     
  16. U201491

    U201491 Well-Known Member

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    How many here were parked on the steps of the commissioners to fight the ordinances in Portland ????????????????/
     
  17. pokerace

    pokerace Newberg Well-Known Member

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    Gov. Kitzhaber says he'll call special session

    He has so stay on your toes, they will try to get the gun bill on the agenda..
     
  18. Nick Burkhardt

    Nick Burkhardt NE Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Can we take this opportunity to field some PRO 2A protection bills. An Oregon Castle Law which extends to your vehicle that is written in plain English would be a great start. Add in Washington's law that the DA has to pay for your defense if he looses while trying to prosecute you for a self defense shooting.
     
  19. 1337BaldEagle

    1337BaldEagle Earth Active Member

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    I definitely suspect sneakiness. Join OFF (Oregon Firearms Federation) they do a really good job of keeping people up to date on this stuff.
     
  20. Nick Burkhardt

    Nick Burkhardt NE Oregon Well-Known Member

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