Oregon LC250 30 day hold on purchase

[GuyBMeredith]

Draft of bill from Prozanski to allow a variety of people to report a buyer as unsuitable and cause a 30 hold. Buyer does not know accuser, but false reports are punishable.

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Detail of draft.

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[notazombie]

How about a hold on people running for public office based on mental health?

 

[WasrNwarpaint]

How about a hold on people running for public office based on mental health?

I suggested we start/buy a bill that requires a politician to undergo mental health screening , drug screening and most importantly an IQ test..
seriuosly.....
but it didnt fly in here.......... it may offend someone

 

[edison bulb]

Time to start making some phone calls!

 

[nammac]

Time to start making some phone calls!

Time to start making lots and lots of noise.. Time to protest on the streets and tie up traffic in Salem!!!

 

[GuyBMeredith]

I am concerned that it looks like a guilty until proven innocent, no due process no protection for victims of reports that don't pan out and that all burdens of cost and time are on the victim without compensation. I would like to hear from a legal beagle if we have any on this site to get their take.

 

[Brutus57]

They do not care about due process or your rights.

Brutus Out

 

[41Slinger]

They do not care about due process or your rights.

Brutus Out

Well said Brutus, Thanks

 

[Mike VH]

Part of due process is being able to confront your accuser in court. As stated above they obviously don't care about due process! If false reports are punishable but its set up to be anonymous how do you punished an anonymous reporter?

The simple answer is you don't, all they want is our guns!

 

[Scot4ever]

Another bill put forward by Floyd Prozanski and you can be sure that they will keep coming. This is a test case and all eyes of the anti gunners will be watching to see what happens. If this bill passes we can be sure many more states will follow suit and we'll be a little closer to losing our second amendment rights.
It concerns me greatly when I talk with other gun owners about these kinds of anti gun actions and I get back "nah, they'll never be able to kill the 2nd amendment". Well maybe that's true but you don't have to kill the 2nd to effectively take away our gun rights. If we don't take notice of what's going on around us and fight for our rights to lawfully own guns, before too many years go by they'll have so much additional legislation enacted that it will be so darn difficult to meet all the requirements to own guns period.

 

[Nick Burkhardt]

Would having your family's firearms in a Trust help or hurt in a false tattle situation?

 

[Koda]

"nobody is trying to take away your guns"

Last year Oregon Democrats dishonestly passed SB941. The idea was to close another "loophole" to prevent felons from buying guns thru private sales. This year, Democrat legislators are pushing for LC263 which will allow OSP to permanently deny firearm sales without due process. Democrats are also pushing LC250 which this bill will allow totally unqualified people, literally anyone, to make anonymous accusations against others and claim those people are experiencing "mental health emergencies." Those people lose their rights to buy a firearm without any due process.

After forcing all private sales to go thru a "background" check, can anyone not see the connection here?


I've come to the conclusion that there are many more gun owners that while they "strongly" believe in the RTKBA they support "common sense" legislation that are purported to "do something" to curb "gun violence"... if it saves just one life, than there are gun owners who do not believe this. They don't mind the idea that they have to take extra (legal) steps to achieve that because they believe no one is trying to take away their Second Amendment rights. Because of this they tend to vote for politicians that support other political topics that Republican politicians oppose. I get that and understand why...

But what I want to know is where do you draw the line with gun control legislation? Go ahead and vote for your politician but at what point do you stand up and tell them to stop attacking your gun rights? When will you attend a pro-gun protest on the capitol steps protesting such legislation like many did against SB941 and Washington st. I594? Considering LC263 and LC250, do you truly believe that no one is trying to take away your guns now?

 

[Doc In UPlace]

In the interests of accuracy we should note that the crackpot LC250 does not allow "literally anyone" to make the report to OSP.

The reporting party must belong to one of the following:
"
(a) A physician;
(b) A health care provider;
(c) A licensed mental health professional;
(d) An educator or principal at a school who has had direct contact
with the person;
(e) An administrator, instructor or professor at a college or university
who has had direct contact with the person; or
(f) An immediate family member, as that term is defined in ORS
60.801, of the person."

 

[Scot4ever]

So, what happens with all these potential reports that get made? Does all of the data gathered just sit there and no one does anything with it? Of course not. Now the door has been opened for another bill further down the line. I can certainly envisage a bill that might propose putting a maximum number on the reports made on a person before further action is taken, possibly to permanently ban that person from buying guns or to confiscate the guns they already have, all under the guise of public safety. If I can make this connection then you can bet the anti gun lobby already have a bill drawn up just waiting for the right moment.

 

[fredball]

So who determines that they are a false report, Seems to me the libs are to go nuts with reporting whom ever they want . Lets get real here have you seen a liberal held accountable for anything ? If so mention it here so we can all grow with new found knowledge

 

[Koda]

Doc, thanks for clarifying. Thats still a long list without due process....

 

[nehalemguy]

In the interests of accuracy we should note that the crackpot LC250 does not allow "literally anyone" to make the report to OSP.

The reporting party must belong to one of the following:
"
(a) A physician;
(b) A health care provider;
(c) A licensed mental health professional;
(d) An educator or principal at a school who has had direct contact
with the person;
(e) An administrator, instructor or professor at a college or university
who has had direct contact with the person; or
(f) An immediate family member, as that term is defined in ORS
60.801, of the person."

You missed employer.

E

 

[Scot4ever]

So who determines that they are a false report, Seems to me the libs are to go nuts with reporting whom ever they want . Lets get real here have you seen a liberal held accountable for anything ? If so mention it here so we can all grow with new found knowledge

That's absolutely the point feed all. If you don't get notified there's no way of determining a false report and anyhow all they have to say is they made the report in good faith and no one will do anything.

 

[Scot4ever]

Sorry fredball my stupid phone corrected your handle to feed all.

 

[pokerace]

Oregon's Only No Compromise Gun Rights Organization

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01.23.16


Michael Bloomberg's noose is tightening around the necks of Oregon's gun owners.





We have received a draft copy of another bill to take us one more step towards the complete ban on the private ownership of firearms.


Now that most private transfers of firearms are illegal, anyone attempting to buy a gun is totally at the mercy of the Oregon State Police ID unit. Without their permission, you may not exercise your "right" to acquire a firearm, even as a gift from a friend.


Virtually not a day goes by that we don't hear from someone who has been delayed or denied without cause by the bureaucrats in the ID unit. Until now, gun buyers at least had the safeguard of being legally allowed to take possession of the firearm after three days if they had not been officially "denied." Under this proposed legislation,

even that safeguard will be stripped away.


Under LC 263 if the OSP choses to delay your purchase, you are simply out of luck.

They may delay it forever.


The OSP ID Unit has made it their policy to ignore or stonewall any effort to correct faulty information that leads to delays and denials. We hear from people regularly who cannot get their calls returned and thus have their rights eliminated until the ID unit gets around to investigating the delay or denial.


The ATF has suspended processing appeals by people who have been denied without cause.


If the proposed legislation becomes law there may very well be simply

no way to legally acquire a firearm. And that's the point.


As with the bill proposed by Floyd Prozanski to allow secret, false accusations to strip away your rights, this bill allows the state to simply bypass the Second Amendment. And let's not forget that there are times when the background check unit is simply shut down with "technical issues."


The surge in attempted gun purchases, along with the mandate that "person to person" transfers require an OSP background check, has increased the number of transactions the OSP is processing and, along with the increase in transfer requests comes an increase in false denials.


Each of these denials requires that a State Trooper be dispatched to the gun store or show where the transfer is being attempted. This is greatly straining already stressed police resources while still resulting in virtually no arrests of real criminals.


The legislature convenes on February 1. We are quite sure there will be other bills attacking your rights. The Democrats in control are totally beholden to Bloomberg's money and he intends to get his money's worth.


Be prepared for a very difficult and dangerous short session.


Every effort will be made to rush these bills through with as little public input as possible. We will need everyone showing up for hearings on short notice. Rest assured, as he has done in the past, Floyd Prozanski will inform the anti-gunners well in advance of hearing dates before the public is allowed to know. Your participation has never been more important.


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