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Oregon Gun Bills Advance in the Senate

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by drew, May 23, 2011.

  1. drew

    drew OR Well-Known Member

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    A bit of good news. The ATV, CHL privacy, and CHL reciprocity permits have scheduled work sessions. This means they will probably come up for a vote. Whether or not they are amended is left to be seen.

    Oregon Firearms Federation
     
  2. sigman

    sigman Olympia, Wa Member

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    I hope the CHL from another state passes. I go down to Or often and would like to carry.
     
  3. DoubleTapDrew

    DoubleTapDrew Oregon Well-Known Member

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    They just killed the ATV bill. I'd say what I think about that but it would just get bubblegummed out.
    Here's the alert from OFF Oregon Firearms Federation
    They added an amendment to ban concealed carry on school property. Yeah that's a great idea huh? Good thing there weren't any CHL holders there to stop the rampage at all the other school shootings, it might hamper their anti-gun crusade.
     
  4. Stomper

    Stomper Oceania Rising White Is The New Brown Silver Supporter

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    frakin' morons... I'll carry concealed anyway, have been for YEARS in my kids' schools and will continue regardless of what these CLUELESS DOPES pass.
     
  5. drew

    drew OR Well-Known Member

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    They're currently just proposed amendments but my confidence this bill gets through without any garbage tacked on is low.
     
  6. iomatic

    iomatic Portland Member

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    I'm conflicted. I agree with the right to bear arms. However, I have a CHL and agree with not having firearms legal in my kids' schools.

    My kids' safety > gun rights

    Screw that big time.
     
  7. Ben Beckerich

    Ben Beckerich NW Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    how the CRAP are your kids safety effected by law-abiding citizens not being prohibited from exercising their Constitutional right to protect their own lives?

    its guys like you that have championed the almost century-long erosion of our rights.

    Constitution > your delusions about safety
     
  8. Uberdillo

    Uberdillo Oregon Active Member

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    So...to put it politely, your view is interesting and I expect it will draw a lot of ire. Start with this: It is already illegal for anyone, including students, under the age of 18 to possess a firearm generally, let alone on school property. No one under 18 can get a CHL. If kids are getting educated and graduated at your school of concern, that leaves a small percentage of students legally able to pursue a CHL. If you are worried about the teachers or staff using their CHL piece against their students: may God help you and your children move to another district. If "public schools" covers higher education, thinking OSU/UO, that's already hotly debated with cases of CHL holders being persecuted like witches.

    Would denying CHL holders their ability to carry have stopped Dylan Klebold or Seung-Hui Cho? I really don't think so. Maybe I missed something.
     
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    U201494 Well-Known Member

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    Bizarre. Is your real name Hillary by any chance?
     
  10. Trlsmn

    Trlsmn In Utero (Portland) Well-Known Member

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    Can you cite any incidents of CHL holders ever having a problem in a school? Just one will be fine, I'll wait here. :bluelaugh:
     
  11. RB87

    RB87 Oregon Active Member

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    Odds are your kids would be safer if schools weren't medicating kids so much with mind altering drugs like ritalin or prozac.
     
  12. DoubleTapDrew

    DoubleTapDrew Oregon Well-Known Member

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    There's a reason shooting sprees usually take place at "gun-free zones" It's like a shooting gallery for them, nobody is going to be shooting back at them.
     
  13. drew

    drew OR Well-Known Member

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    I like calling them "self defense free zones".
    gun-free-zone-cLR.jpg

    gun-free-zone-cLR.jpg
     
  14. SPU

    SPU Southwest Oregon Old Fart

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    You wouldn't want to be around my son without his ritalin or my daughter without her Prozac. Trust me. GREAT kids with the meds altering their brain neurotransmitters to normal levels.

    Off the hijack, to the OP: I wrote my state reps. Guess it didn't matter. Dumb a$$e$.
     
  15. iomatic

    iomatic Portland Member

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    I see your conjecture and raise mine. I'm pretty sure people have been killed at gun ranges too (re: comic above).

    -Alright, show me where a CHL has prevented or helped stop a gun-wielding felon from killing someone
    -I'd also wage the lot of you have no kind of training and would probably put everyone at worse risk in a gunfight on school grounds
    -Since we're all making guesses here, I'll bet the majority of you have any kids in school
    -Since it's legal to carry medical marijuana in some cases, it would be ok to bring that to school?

    Keep your guns away from our kids' schools. Don't need 'em. See you at the range.
     
  16. Ben Beckerich

    Ben Beckerich NW Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    could you get any wronger?

    Pearl High School shooting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    i cant speak for these other guys, but i'm gonna guess you're dead wrong on this. me? i actually LEAD a regular training group.. we focus on dynamic engagements- fast accuracy, multiple targets, target identification.... all in urban CQB environments.

    i have 4 boys, working on number 5

    you said it yourself- it's legal. why should i give a flying f-bomb what you have in your pocket?

    no... i'll continue to have a firearm on my hip every single time i walk onto school grounds. you need a freaken education, neighbor.
     
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    oregonty Salem, OR Active Member

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    WOW. I dont know what else to say. There may be some time (god forbid) that someone puts a stop to a shooter in a school, mall, public place, etc.
    I would rather someone (untrained / good Samaritan) try to save my life if I were chocking, drowning, unconscious, and in need, than otherwise. I guess if I ever see you in need I will just stand by and let nature / fate run its course.
    You, my friend, are the type of person who scares me.
     
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    VW_Factor Woodburn Oregon Active Member

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    Can you guarantee that I would never need my sidearm @ a PDX school?

    With the kids around there shooting each other bringing their guns to schools, you somehow feel safe in a PDX school without your sidearm?
     
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    RB87 Oregon Active Member

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    I have no reason to doubt you but I've also heard of example after example of kids who are just being kids getting put on that stuff. I didn't say it doesnt work/help people, just that it is over prescribed IMHO.
     
  20. Stomper

    Stomper Oceania Rising White Is The New Brown Silver Supporter

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    You're pretty sure... got any incident? Ever hear of an event like that on the news? Bet your arse it'd be ALL OVER the media if it did.



    A recent incident comes to mind up in Washington about a CPL (CHL) holder shooting an out of control Pitbull in a park, not a "gun-wielding felon", but a Pitbull is a deadly animal that can be OUT OF CONTROL, while a firearm is an inanimate object.

    There was an armed CHL holder at/near the latest shooting of Congresswman Richards and was just moments away from being in a position to do something about it, but by the time he got there he saw the assailant was already subdued and did NOT draw his weapon... it was just a "cosmic timing" thing in that case. More IMPORTANTLY quote JUST ONE incident of a CHL holder "going off" in a "gun free" zone... just one. You're response (and position) is as LAME as your wrist.

    But as you wish... I call your "bluff", but ANY deadly weapon IS A DEADLY WEAPON.

    Violent Mugger Fatally Shot by Concealed Carry Permit Holder | LearnAboutGuns.com*

    Elderly Michigan Man Stop 3 Home Invaders with His Shotgun | LearnAboutGuns.com*

    Robber Shot in Foot by Armed Citizen | LearnAboutGuns.com*

    Armed Father Saves Himself and His Family from a Machete-Wielding Attacker | LearnAboutGuns.com*



    Again, you lose. I spent 3-yrs. as an Army MP and used to bodyguard (with MP-5's and such) Gen. Glenn Otis (US Army Europe/NATO Central Army Group Commander In Cheif) over in Germany... then there's my 5-yr. tour in the Infantry doing ops in Central America, and finishing up as a Drill Sgt. teaching combatives, marksmanship, and Urban Warfare. I KNOW about threat assesment and use of force issues.

    On another note, I know half the police officers in my town by name, and was invited to try out their shoot/no shoot training simulator (a big screen w/interactive Glock pistols), I scored 100% with only one errant shot and that was out in the middle of a field while transitioning between two armed assailants and NO COLLATERAL DAMAGE/INJURIES. I know that may all come off as corny to you (and maybe others here), but I'd say it's a safe bet the kids are safe with me packing and (God forbid) ever taking action.



    Yeah, I have SIX kids in school, what's your point?



    Are you 14 or something? My dad can beat up your dad.



    They're MY kids and MY schools too... so suck it. If you don't FEEL you need 'em, then don't pack 'em.... and finally, I don't go the the range at clown college (or clown college in general), so you won't be seeing me there.