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"When he pulls over cars for traffic violations, police officer Erik Faulkner testified in 2015, he routinely asks drivers if they have weapons, drugs, or any other contraband. Because of a recent decision by the Oregon Supreme Court, Faulkner will have to cut that out, and so will every other cop in the state. "
 
I have mixed thinking about this.

Many, many times LEO's find criminal activity they can address and at least cure temporarily by asking these questions.

At the same time, we don't live in WW2 Germany, being questioned with this type of question: Where are your papers, Schweinehund?

At the same time, I think LEO's see what rightly looks questionable and are prompted to ask of potential miscreants these questions. They are often right too...

If they stop you or me or Granny for speeding, (or what minor infraction you may very well be guilty of...) chances are they're not going to get overly suspicious, but at the same time, some LEO's with the wrong psychology of power tripping may pay no attention to the fact we're clean cut, well dressed, nice vehicle, well spoken, no hint of being drunk or doped up type people, but insist on powah trippin anyway....
 
Well, we will see how this turns out. I suspect this will not be a benefit to society overall. Those of us who play by the rules, within the law, never had anything to worry about anyway...

my gut instinct tells me this is just another way to cowtow to the criminal element in Oregon :s0054:
 
If the officer has reason to believe there is criminal activity, they can proceed as they would have before this case.

IE, they see what appears to be pot. Bring in it do a photo op, crow in the publications, and wait for FARK to report it was hemp, not pot.
 
nammac - you are correct sir!

I think, though recognize, yes, there are a few power trippin bad apples, but think overall, LEO's are highly professional, good folk who recognize dirtbags from non-dirtbags.

Simple as that...but, criminal sympathizers (dems) who think criminals are mistreated, put upon victims, who but for the grace of god go I, should be allowed to be criminals, cuz hey, how dey gonna eat iffen dey caint prey upon the 'have's'? It's dey right to rob and worser...

'Have's' definition: People who sacrifice by getting an education, working, being law abiding and slowly getting ahead, and always avoid criminality.

In other words, prey for the criminals who simply want to feed at the trough of people who they consider...food..
 
Yes sir officer! I have guns, drugs, alcohol, knives, porn and stolen goods. After you write my ticket for the burned out tail light, go ahead and arrest me because I'm broke now anyway and can't afford to buy a new bulb.:s0155:
 
No more "Where are you going? Where are you coming from?"
I had a pullover where the officer didn't seem to understand what "out for a drive" meant so I had to answer his questions as "from home, to home."

Had another ask "what's in the bag" before asking for my license, etc. To which I replied "gym clothes, would you like to check?" while handing over my credentials. Just because I was driving a 3 colored beater truck does not mean I was carrying meth, which is definitely why he pulled me over. I'll be very glad they can only address the issue immediately at hand and quit hunting for a bigger ticket.

Not to say I don't respect LEO, I'm tired of being harassed because of my low end cars. I pay enough in taxes, leave me alone.
 
Years ago, I used to wonder why I was treated like a criminal when I drove a beater. Then, I got a scanner and started listening. 2/3 of LEOs customers have criminal history or warrants.

A pretty car does affect the way an officer treats you.
 
when i first read this article the first thought that came into my head was "fake news" IMO

so, i talked to a good LEO friend of mine about this. he went back and actually read the court ruling...he told me this article is very one sided and says barely it affects how they do their job.

people should just obey the law.
 
No more "Where are you going? Where are you coming from?"
I "hear" this a lot over the years but does it really happen? I guess maybe I am the odd man out here? I just don't get stopped. Have some vehicles that "look nice", some that are "beaters" but of course street legal. I just do not get stopped. Last few times I have had an "interaction" with LEO's has been break downs, while waiting for help. Last couple of those I had both licenses in hand when an LEO came to me, they waved them away without looking. Just asked about problem, when told AAA was on the way, got back in their car and left. I have to "guess" a lot of this is now days they know who I am as soon as they run my tags? Now if one stopped me and started asking me where I was going and where I just came from? I suppose I would bristle some.
 
...to protect and serve....
predictive.
proactive.
after the fact.

as a tax payer/citezen/the one you protect,

I would want LEO to eliminate the threat/crime prior to the action. Otherwise, world,gun grabbers, snowflakes, ect, get off my/our case as we will protect ourselves from the non abiders as you have nuetered those whom should be protecting us.

The questions asked by the officer in the narrative in OP, are to aid in protecting HIM at that moment. Stupid law/ruling.
 
This court ruling is reinforcing the long held doctrine of RAS, reasonable articulable suspicion. It just means they can't go on a random fishing expedition without reasonable suspicion that they can articulate, not gut feeling. While an officer's gut feeling/intuition maybe correct they must be able to define the reason for further inquiries beyond the scope of the stop. Anything they observe can be used as RAS.
Basically not much has changed.
 
When everyone is guilty, you don't gotta do much investigating.

lol

There are so many laws, and we break some of them every day without knowing. That is the purpose of half of those laws; control. Typical middle class citizen doesn't have to worry about it much, until they anger or seem a risk to someone in power - then "they" can use one of those millions of laws to control/threaten you into conformance.

I experienced a mild form of this in the military; the senior enlisted who had been in service for 20-30 years knew all of the little niggling regs/etc. on the books and sometimes used them to maintain control over junior enlisted. OTOH, they were hypocritical enough that sometimes all that was needed was to point out that they broke the rules too - although they didn't like that at all when you did that, so it was risky (towards the end of my enlistment I didn't care that much - just like now as I approach retirement; I got a very slight reprimand yesterday for making known a fact about inudstry layoffs).
 
Like Alexx, I jusst don't get stopped.

Well, I did once...over 50 years ago.

I was speeding and got a traffic ticket.

The police officer couldn't have been more professional.

I WAS speeding and learned my lesson.

I obey traffic law.
 
Who ever sees police? I live in Portland, just south by three miles or so of the airport. We hear sirens all the time though. Mostly those sirens are ambulance/paramedics/fire seeing as we have a couple halfway house type things in the hood. Driving around Portland I very seldom see police. Portland only has/had 14.1 police to 10,000 residents in 2016. Police Employment, Officers Per Capita Rates for U.S. Cities Police will (can) hardly respond to a 911 call to the large chain grocery store Wifey works at. Even for threat of assault.

I've got to guess this situation came about because some worthless druggie/criminal types kept getting pulled over at two in the morning doing dumb stuff and getting busted for said dumb stuff. There's been other complaints over the years of police unjustly targeting certain individuals late at night.
 
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@Mikej No one wants to be a cop in Portland. Who would want to take a job that's stressful, potentially life-threatening every day, and has no respect from the community (or even the mayor, commissioners, etc.)?
 

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