Oregon background bill postponed

[Partsproduction]

"What you propose was known as the "outlaw" sentence. The sentence existed into the 20th century"

Actually I wasn't proposing it, I held it up as a way to understand that our gun rights are being considered somehow as being less important than all our other rights under the BOR's, and it is playing into their hands to allow them to play that scam on America, because when we lose any right it is only a prelude to the loss of all of them.

 

[Stomper]

#4-- the issue I have with that Ks who gets to decide who gets their rights striped away, where di we draw the line? Many people have seen a doctor for mild depression or anxiety. Should they lose there right? What about a rape victim with mild ptsd?
-- I'm sure you were referring to the law that's already there about being court ordered to a mental hospital, but if they had it there way 500,000 soldiers would lose their right. Sometimes people lose their marbles and kill people. We all can agree taking guns wont solve that. You can always get a blade or manufacture a bomb.

Putting it in those terms makes this bill even more cruel and obscene. One more time, the "party of compassion" is targeting those most likely to need protection.

I think you misunderstood my point, but actually made it as well... LOL! I'm NOT for any of it, I was pointing out the likely points of opposition that will be presented by the anti-2A's.

I am surprised at the number of folks that are willing to consider SB 941 with Thatcher's amendment.

Any way you look at it, you are still losing. The burden of proof is still on you, and that is bubblegum backwards.

If this bill passes, in any form, we have all lost.

I think you misunderstand what the effort is about in this thread. NONE of us are for this legislation (with or without the proposed amendment), but unless there is some sort of divine intervention SOMETHING is going to go forward and get passed into law.

The Dems have clearly stated their intentions, and they are merely going through the "formalities" required by law with all these "public input" sessions with barely suppressed contempt for the opposition, AND they have the numbers to do it.

It's not about capitulation (or acceptance), it's like when you're on an aeroplane that's quickly losing altitude you brace for impact and do EVERYTHING you can to survive, and "jumping up" just before you hit the ground doesn't work.

 

[Roger65]

No it doesn't. You don't get your ODL at the DMV anymore anyway. They mail it to you.
So the state just mails everyone that needs a "no gun" indicator their new marked license.
Done.
Anyone that is supposed to have one that presents the wrong one in a traffic stop loses theirs for 90-180 days.
Done.

Oh okay, that makes more sense. It will still get shot down by the legislators, but at least won't piss off every driver in the state.

At the very least it bought us three days, time during which maybe we can get the whole bill to be subject to normal examination and review, instead of the fast tracking that was going on.

 

[etrain16]

I think you misunderstood my point, but actually made it as well... LOL! I'm NOT for any of it, I was pointing out the likely points of opposition that will be presented by the anti-2A's.



I think you misunderstand what the effort is about in this thread. NONE of us are for this legislation (with or without the proposed amendment), but unless there is some sort of divine intervention SOMETHING is going to go forward and get passed into law.

The Dems have clearly stated their intentions, and they are merely going through the "formalities" required by law with all these "public input" sessions with barely suppressed contempt for the opposition, AND they have the numbers to do it.

It's not about capitulation (or acceptance), it's like when you're on an aeroplane that's quickly losing altitude you brace for impact and do EVERYTHING you can to survive, and "jumping up" just before you hit the ground doesn't work.

Well said.

 

[BanjoGeek]

We need to understand but not necessarily like the fact that there will be nothing proposed that doesn't have a part that someone doesn't like. Bottom line, the commies have pretty much taken over our rights. Why? Because too many of us don't get out and vote. Pure and simple.

Now that we have allowed them to impose a police state on us we had better get behind the best opportunity we have before us and I haven't seen a better option than Senator Thatcher's proposal. All of our hatched up ideas are not going to see the light of day.

We were defeated when the Oregon legislature was handed a bullet proof governing body like it or not. Our only hope is that are enough members of the legislature that fear loosing their job if they vote for this. History shows that they don't have a whole lot to worry about. I will continue the fight but not nit picking each other non-stop.

 

[PiratePast40]

The only hope right now, is if we write to all of the democrats in both the house and senate. It's possible that we may get some to stand up to their handlers.

Make sure you let Senator Betsy Johnson know that she is appreciated. For now, she is the only senate democrat with the backbone to stand up to this mess. As you can imagine, she's been the target of some pretty malicious attacks from outside Oregon for her stand of protecting 2A rights.

 

[Partsproduction]

"Why? Because too many of us don't get out and vote. Pure and simple."

I agree to a point, but the fact is our people are being constantly brainwashed to accept the old soviet union's answer to the 60's arms build up.

According to Kent Clisbee in Willing Accomplices the Kremlin came up with political correctness to destabilize America from the inside out. I know it's tedious to bring this up, but that is the real reason we are losing the battle.

Our kids are being told there is no God and that everything just happened in stead of being deliberately Created by a Supreme Being (No judgement for bad behavior to be concerned about), our wives are told from many sources they are not being loved or respected, and all of us are being told that right is wrong and wrong is right, constantly! The whole democrat side seems to be especially vulnerable to this deception, being slightly brain dead to start with.
Meanwhile those of us who understand reality are knocked back on our heels so much that at best we occupy defensive positions. Just watch and see, someone will oppose what I just said because they want to live a sinful lifestyle.
With the media blasting literally 24/7, with the higher and public education institution (Oh, so sophisticated you know, but too stupid to see they are being used) brainwashing kids and adults every day, with the courts falling in line and the ACLU showing them where that line is, it's not that people don't vote, it's that people have become stupified! They are "Willing Accomplices".

Our RTKBA is a thorn in their side concerning their desire to remake America as a "workers paradise", they have to disarm us before much longer or stall out the movement to destroy us.

 

[bakersman345]

I think you misunderstood my point, but actually made it as well... LOL! I'm NOT for any of it, I was pointing out the likely points of opposition that will be presented by the anti-2A's.



I think you misunderstand what the effort is about in this thread. NONE of us are for this legislation (with or without the proposed amendment), but unless there is some sort of divine intervention SOMETHING is going to go forward and get passed into law.

The Dems have clearly stated their intentions, and they are merely going through the "formalities" required by law with all these "public input" sessions with barely suppressed contempt for the opposition, AND they have the numbers to do it.

It's not about capitulation (or acceptance), it's like when you're on an aeroplane that's quickly losing altitude you brace for impact and do EVERYTHING you can to survive, and "jumping up" just before you hit the ground doesn't work.

I didn't misunderstand you. I know where your coming from. I was just saying they want to expand on the mental health thing and should probably be a thread all on its own. I always enjoy reading your responses on any thread.

 

[tiggers97]

Say it out LOUD PEOPLE.....I WILL NOT COMPLY"

"civil disobedience" is another catch phrase the other side can relate to.

 

[ARKLITE881South]

Lets face it, they are dotting the I"s and crossing the T's, making sure all the ducks are in a row before the final push. You bet follow through with recalls, show these people this is for real, and that we're not screwing around. Why give them a chance for a second breath. This is one problem, people back off then, a little later on, jump on it again, only that time, it'll be for good.

 

[cascadianliberty2012]

Voting is ridiculous institution; why should 51% be able to violently impose their will upon the other 49%? Live by the premise of 100% freedom for all, so long as your actions do not harm others.

 

[Stomper]

Voting is ridiculous institution; why should 51% be able to violently impose their will upon the other 49%? Live by the premise of 100% freedom for all, so long as your actions do not harm others.

Those sorts of things are generally hindered under a CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC, but I fear ours has been torn down into the tyrannical gutter of a "pure" democracy.

When a citizenry rejects the premises of the honorable values set up in their Constittion, and trade it for naked greed and pursue all manner of lusts, they declare themselves "poor", the "victim", and claim they have the "moral high ground" with a wretched charicature of Liberty and what is "good and evil" that is in fact nothing more than a tool of tyranny that will never satisfy the small minds of even smaller men.

It is far easier to be weak and not take a stand, that's why evil continues to grow day by day. My exhortation; hold the line, and you WILL echo in eternity.

 

[tiggers97]

From the <broken link removed> endorsement of SB941 (after admitting it wouldn't do much of anything) I saw another on of those posts in the comment section about how people like us want NO laws against criminals, no law is perfect but "if it saves just one life", and how selfish we are for not wanting to submit to their rules. Because, you know, we are probably criminals our self, and 'potato".

My response here. (have to scroll down to the comments section, like the regular article. But only the comment thread is visible instead of all comments).

Appropriate? Did I miss something? I thought it was good, so sharing.


Oh, and a note:
Still time to get testimony in if you haven't already. It's fast and easy, especially if you've already written a letter to your rep. I think the response was DEFINITELY instrumental in making the judiciary delay the workday and take a second look.

 

[Deebow]

Libtards think that with this law, somehow they can prevent crime.

Nothing in this bill would have prevented Kip Kinkel from doing what he did.
Nothing in this bill would have stopped the shooting at Clackamas Town Center.

And if we follow the logic of "if it saves one life" then we need to ban cars, alcohol, stairs, bathtubs, hammers, bicycles and garden implements; all of which cause more death each year than guns.

You know, because "if it saves one life" it must be worth it.

 

[Certaindeaf]

It's interesting to note that our Democrat (Oregon)controlled government transfers millions (billions?) of dollars a year in property, benefits, money and rights to who knows who without any sort of checking, proofs or corroboration whatsoever. Everything from food stamps, driving privileges, the ability to vote, unemployment benefits.. the list goes on. Yet they want shackle us with barriers to and proofs of our private transfers.
I'm no constitutional scholar but that disparity just seems illegal on even the face of it.

 

[PiratePast40]

From the <broken link removed> endorsement of SB941 (after admitting it wouldn't do much of anything) I saw another on of those posts in the comment section about how people like us want NO laws against criminals, no law is perfect but "if it saves just one life", and how selfish we are for not wanting to submit to their rules. Because, you know, we are probably criminals our self, and 'potato".

My response here. (have to scroll down to the comments section, like the regular article. But only the comment thread is visible instead of all comments).

Appropriate? Did I miss something? I thought it was good, so sharing.


Oh, and a note:
Still time to get testimony in if you haven't already. It's fast and easy, especially if you've already written a letter to your rep. I think the response was DEFINITELY instrumental in making the judiciary delay the workday and take a second look.

Thanks triggers. Great response!

 

[etrain16]

Disappointing news that the bill cleared committee today on a 3-2 vote with the Thatcher ODL amendment ignored. Time to contact your Senators, today, don't wait. It will be up for a vote very soon. We need as many Senators to vote no on this as possible. I've got mine written, spending time tonight getting it distributed to as many as possible.

 

[PiratePast40]

Disappointing news that the bill cleared committee today on a 3-2 vote with the Thatcher ODL amendment ignored. Time to contact your Senators, today, don't wait. It will be up for a vote very soon. We need as many Senators to vote no on this as possible. I've got mine written, spending time tonight getting it distributed to as many as possible.

Here, this will help:
https://www.northwestfirearms.com/t...mail-addresses-for-oregon-legislature.194352/

 

[Stomper]

This bill isn't about saving lives, it's about laying the foundation for a gun registry.

Just wait, in the future it will be claimed they have no way of knowing the rate of compliance with this law, and the ONLY way is to have 100% registration.

 

[U201491]

Libtards think that with this law, somehow they can prevent crime.

Nothing in this bill would have prevented Kip Kinkel from doing what he did.
Nothing in this bill would have stopped the shooting at Clackamas Town Center.

And if we follow the logic of "if it saves one life" then we need to ban cars, alcohol, stairs, bathtubs, hammers, bicycles and garden implements; all of which cause more death each year than guns.

You know, because "if it saves one life" it must be worth it.

The thing that everyone forgets is this is not about preventing crime. It is 100% about control and the incremental destruction of the 2nd Amendment. Crime has nothing to do with it, that is only an excuse they use to camouflage their real agenda. People need to ....really remember what their agenda is and not allow them to even create a doubt in your mind. Do not let them get away with that pool of liquefied manure.
That is what the definition of "POPAGANDA" IS !
Actually crime is their job security. Without crime none of them would be needed. LE, Judges, jails, prisons, none of it would be needed. The more crime the more taxes they can bamboozle out of you and everyone else. The more government they can create and the more power and control they can perpetrate on the citizens. There is no more representation except for the leftists that aid and abet their schemes.
Communism, Marxism, Socialism is all the same thing in different degrees and none of it is what our founders intended for this nation. The left is leading the people into the abyss by the nose and making them think they like it. One day they will rip the guts from the ones they led over the cliff. It won't be liked so much then.............................................!

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