Oregon anti-gun bill coming out after March 27th

[OLDNEWBIE]

Stand together = pick a side (There are only two viable political parties , one is the party of gun grabbers and one is not)

Correct! Only two viable, and you should pick a side.
One side is the party of gun grabbers almost guaranteed, they even brag about it!
The other is a lot less gun grabbing but not infallible on this point. That can be worked on!

Not happy with either? Don't Vote, in hopes of speeding up whatever Revolution/Revolt fantasy you have been dreaming of. Ain't gonna happen in my lifetime though thank God, nor would I want it to. Too many sheeple anyway, be realistic.

Any prepping I do is for a temporary disruption/shtf situation, not violent Political Revolution.

Anybody who is holding back their Votes/ letters to Reps etc. waiting for something like that or Armageddon or whatever just around the corner, please do us all a favor and join us back in Realville.
Your political participation may be all we need to stop the anti-gunners Salem.

In Realville we don't vote 3rd party candidates without major financial backing. Ross Perot was the last one.

In Realville we accept that no Candidate will check off all the boxes for every one of MY concerns perfectly.

In Realville some of us still think globalists/socialists are attempting to fundamentally change America and that change won't include private gun ownership as we know it.

In Realville some of us think that is BS but do recognize our gun rights are in grave danger.


IN REALVILLE WE PICK A SIDE.

 

[edison bulb]

I'm a registered Democrat, but find that a difficult position for me (socially liberal but fiscally conservative) but probably won't change parties until Libertarians become more of a force to be reckoned with. The 2nd Amendment needs to be a bipartisan issue between both Democrats and Republicans. The importance and sheer weight of the 2nd Amendment can not be carried solely on the shoulders of the Republican party. Believing it can will doom our constitutional right to its grave. The Demographics in this country are rapidly changing, and the fact is we need more women & minorities to stand behind & support the 2nd Amendment, groups that statistically vote Democratic.

That being said, I've contacted everyone listed on Post #1 through both e-mail and phone. I let them know I'm a Democrat and stand behind the 2A, am in support of SB 86 and not in support of SB 385, and don't support any lead ammo bans or expanded background checks to private party sales. Everyone in my family is currently in the process of doing the same. I'll be making another $50 donation to OFF and another $50 to the NRA-ILA come payday on the 15th. Please consider doing the same!!

If you're a 2A loving Democrat, you are not alone. Identify yourself to your representatives and let them know you do not support their anti-gun agenda! Let them know you don't support Ceasefire Oregon or M. Bloomberg's anti-gun schemes.

 

[boogerhook]

I'm a registered Democrat, but find that a difficult position for me (socially liberal but fiscally conservative) but probably won't change parties until Libertarians become more of a force to be reckoned with. The 2nd Amendment needs to be a bipartisan issue between both Democrats and Republicans. The importance and sheer weight of the 2nd Amendment can not be carried solely on the shoulders of the Republican party. Believing it can will doom our constitutional right to its grave. The Demographics in this country are rapidly changing, and the fact is we need more women & minorities to stand behind & support the 2nd Amendment, groups that statistically vote Democratic.

That being said, I've contacted everyone listed on Post #1 through both e-mail and phone. I let them know I'm a Democrat and stand behind the 2A, am in support of SB 86 and not in support of SB 385, and don't support any lead ammo bans or expanded background checks to private party sales. Everyone in my family is currently in the process of doing the same. I'll be making another $50 donation to OFF and another $50 to the NRA-ILA come payday on the 15th. Please consider doing the same!!

If you're a 2A loving Democrat, you are not alone. Identify yourself to your representatives and let them know you do not support their anti-gun agenda! Let them know you don't support Ceasefire Oregon or M. Bloomberg's anti-gun schemes.

Ha, I am socially liberal and fiscally conservative too, but I will vote Republican, probably until such time that Libertarians become a viable choice ;-) and I am pro 2A, of course, actually pro Constitution in general.

 

[Gator Monroe]

They simply haven't heard enough from pro 2A Dems. When enough do end up contacting them, they will listen.

You think enough GOP types have contacted their Reps about the open border & amnesty or Obamacare yet where has it got them ?

 

[edison bulb]

That is true, Gator. But you surely must acknowledge that the 2A has no hope of surviving if it is *solely* the Republican party fighting for it, right?

 

[Gator Monroe]

That is true, Gator. But you surely must acknowledge that the 2A has no hope of surviving if it is *solely* the Republican party fighting for it, right?

But it sure as hell has a chance to be dwindled or killed by a thousand cuts by just the Democrat Party .

 

[edison bulb]

Not if enough Democrats/Liberals, who are mostly "in the closet" about gun ownership because it is "taboo", contact their representatives to let them know where they stand.

 

[Gator Monroe]

Not if enough Democrats/Liberals, who are mostly "in the closet" about gun ownership because it is "taboo", contact their representatives to let them know where they stand.

Let their reps know that FOR JUST THIS ELECTION CYCLE THEY WILL VOTE Walker/Gowdy for POTUS & VP due to the Democrat POTUS Candidate saying that banning Handguns and an AWB2 will be top priorities in his/her Administrations agenda ?

 

[edison bulb]

That might work. Do you have any other ideas about how to get Democrats to stand behind the 2A?

 

[CWOUSCG]

Not if enough Democrats/Liberals, who are mostly "in the closet" about gun ownership because it is "taboo", contact their representatives to let them know where they stand.

Maintain your Democratic party registration and vote for pro gun candidates in the primaries but please do not vote for an anti gun Democrat just because they are Democrats. Vote for the candidate who will protect your gun rights.

 

[Gator Monroe]

I know its tough but the Conservatives who ditched the GOP over RINO activities that disgusted them did it , now if a few of you Democrat posters at Firearm Forum/boards can be as agitated by your party and actually say you to are defecting for this upcoming election cycle then a trend (Like the upset and disgusted Conservativew Folks have going) could simmer...

 

[tiggers97]

I missed this one; its a week old already. Expect to see more in the coming weeks.

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[Joe Link]

Correct! Only two viable, and you should pick a side.

This 'pick a side' mentality is exactly why this country can't seem to agree on anything. As long as We The People follow advice like this it will continue to be a never-ending game of tug-o-war. Make no mistake, this is by design. We're too busy fighting with each other to realize what's happening. Even if we do see what's happening we resort to the us-vs-them tactics they taught us, ensuring that we will never have sufficient numbers to put a stop to it. It's like a Chinese finger trap.

I'm begging you us-vs-them guys, PLEASE, take a look at what you're doing and stop.

 

[Gator Monroe]

This 'pick a side' mentality is exactly why this country can't seem to agree on anything. As long as We The People follow advice like this it will continue to be a never-ending game of tug-o-war. Make no mistake, this is by design. We're too busy fighting with each other to realize what's happening. Even if we do see what's happening we resort to the us-vs-them tactics they taught us, ensuring that we will never have sufficient numbers to put a stop to it. It's like a Chinese finger trap.

I'm begging you us-vs-them guys, PLEASE, take a look at what you're doing and stop.

If you know one party has Gun Grabbing (among other things that disgust you ) in their party platform then as an American & Voter it is up to you to call them on their s*it and vote accordingly as to not allow them to erode 2A/RTKBA reguardless if 30 % of their fellow Party members are uncomfortable with that direction (Yet continue voting for their Party in election cycle after election cycle . Just as Many Conservatives have abandoned the GOP over the RINO mishegoss , Some Democrtats must abandon the Party that abandond them on 2A/RTKBA ... What is so wrong with this if the Former GOP folks can do it ???

 

[tiggers97]

I'm a registered Democrat, but find that a difficult position for me (socially liberal but fiscally conservative) but probably won't change parties until Libertarians become more of a force to be reckoned with.

You, and people like you, actually have more power than those of us who wouldn't vote democrat. Why? Because politicians don't want to lose votes and money. They could care less about the people who would never vote or give money to their party. But people who are finding themselves on the wrong side of the fence when issues like 2nd amendment rights come up? Easily twice the power and influence.

 

[OLDNEWBIE]

It is by design, our form of (Federal Govt.) anyway was sort of designed for gridlock/ tug of war. That's a good thing and lends itself to only the most pressing issues being addressed by new Laws etc.

Money has corrupted this system sure, but it still sort of works out Federally, otherwise the current Admin. would have succeeded much further than it has on guns, energy, immigration etc.

That healthy tug of war we have in Federal govt. has been happening less and less in this State in the 10 years since I've moved here. And it's starting to show

Oregon's rope doesn't have enough people pulling against the dominant Party.

Monopoly govt. is NEVER a good thing be it Dem or Republican. I'm an Independent Fiscal right, slight Social left person. Almost Neutral!

I'd vote Dem if the situation on the ground warranted it. I've voted for Nader once LOL!

I wish there was other options than converting non-voters and fence sitters. It's boring and tedious but I don't see a third way.

When I say "Pick a Side!" It's in the context that the pendulum has swung wayyy too far to the Left and needs to be centered again to Reign in these Legislators a bit. You can always go back to the "Other Side" after an Election or two

 

[Joe Link]

If you know one party has Gun Grabbing (among other things that disgust you ) in their party platform then as an American & Voter it is up to you to call them on their s*it and vote accordingly as to not allow them to erode 2A/RTKBA reguardless if 30 % of their fellow Party members are uncomfortable with that direction (Yet continue voting for their Party in election cycle after election cycle . Just as Many Conservatives have abandoned the GOP over the RINO mishegoss , Some Democrtats must abandon the Party that abandond them on 2A/RTKBA ... What is so wrong with this if the Former GOP folks can do it ???

You're approaching the issue from the wrong angle. This, and every other issue, needs to be approached from the bottom up (individuals), not the top down (national political parties).

Forget political parties, focus on the people.

The GOP folks are a horrible example. They haven't changed anything.

 

[bolus]

I tried voting once based on who had taken a college level science class (so hopefully they would have basic critical thinking skills, understand scientific method) That didnt work out well at all.

 

[Joe Link]

You, and people like you, actually have more power than those of us who wouldn't vote democrat. Why? Because politicians don't want to lose votes and money. They could care less about the people who would never vote or give money to their party. But people who are finding themselves on the wrong side of the fence when issues like 2nd amendment rights come up? Easily twice the power and influence.

Exactly. This is why we need to support them. Modern politics has all but killed the phrase 'Politics makes strange bedfellows'. It's much easier if the political parties (both of them) can convince the sheep to vote party-line.

 

[Gator Monroe]

The GOP Folks have forced the Democrats to abandon push for AWB2 , the GOP Folks have with their control of Congress ( lol really ?) forced Democrats to rely on a State by State erosion of 2A and make attempts like F&F & BATF Ammo ban attempts on the Federal Level. Focus on Political Parties because ALL FIREARMS RESTRICTIONS OF LATE (especially in California) are passed BY STRICT PARTY LINE VOTE !