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Thanks for the update, always appreciated.

The wording of that is similar to Massachusettes. One of the reasons I never bothered to get into firearms back there. Cost and time prohibitive.

Along with the local Police chief having a yea or nea say in your getting a CHL (back there it's not county Sherriff).

My understanding (and I may certainly be mistaken) from the brief look I took when living back there. Also my understanding was even if you did jump thru the hoops, many city and town chiefs stance was a blanket "no" to concealed carry applications.

Ugh!
Biggest difference, Massachusetts is a "may issue" state... Where today, Oregon is a "shall issue" state...
 
Politicians being cheap whores for whatever special intetest doesn't surprise me as their only craft is half-truths and pandering to ignorance. Far more troubling is the fact that the voters in this state don't recognize the divide and conquer stratgey. Sin taxes, gun taxes and regulation and new laws, healthcare taxes, parts of the constitution, and etc. They pick on a voting minority and violate their basic constitutional rights and no one gets pissed until thier little minority habit or hobby gets violated. Pot is all the rage now but somehow cigarettes and guns are evil and need further taxation and regulation. Foolishness. As voters we just have to vote NO on everything that doesn't restore constitutional rights. Look at the returns from the presidential election for pete's sake. 80% of voters in the I-5 corridor just blindly vote for the deviant communist encumbant. It's pathetic and scary. This is not the great state that I grew up in as a fifth generation Oregonian. No wonder the Eastern Oregon types despise those of us from Western Oregon.
You'll find that same I-5 corridor also consumes 95% of state and federal welfare services... Any questions?
 
Folks, if you value your rights in this state, it's time to take a sick day and show up at the State Capital on Monday morning, bright and early. Let's do everything we can to clog Salem with Honest, Law Abiding Gun Owners...

We have to show our strength and passion, otherwise we will be trampled by this socialistic legislature...
 
So what about us people that already have a permit. When we renew do we need to jump through hoops or is it just a renewal process.

Ive already emailed all the senators with a sample letter from OFF

Texas is looking better and better every week. This Oregon govt is getting too far gone for me...
If you look at the requirements to get a permit, it says you have to take the class as defined in the bill, or fall under other groups of qualified people, on of which is:

"[(F)] (ii) [Is] Being licensed or [has] having been licensed within the previous five years to carry a firearm in this state, unless the license has been revoked; [or]

That is page 16, paragraph 12 of the pdf linked by the OP. So it sounds to me like if you already have your permit you can renew like always.
 
what a bunch of mook fux.

how does this make people safer? how does any gun legislation make people safer? its proven it doesnt.

obviously personal safety and the natural right to self defense doesnt matter when money is involved.

oh wait, oh floyd and mikey will probably still have armed security after this anyway.

i would never "wish" harm on someone but what is it gonna take for people to open up their eyes? what happens when you come home to your wife or daughter being raped and beaten by armed intruders? u gonna step back and call the cops? yeah, sure go ahead and wait for them to arrive. they'll be there in the blink of an eye.

:mad:
 
If you look at the requirements to get a permit, it says you have to take the class as defined in the bill, or fall under other groups of qualified people, on of which is:

"[(F)] (ii) [Is] Being licensed or [has] having been licensed within the previous five years to carry a firearm in this state, unless the license has been revoked; [or]

That is page 16, paragraph 12 of the pdf linked by the OP. So it sounds to me like if you already have your permit you can renew like always.

Sounds good enough to me right?

But then I'm a fixed number of people in a group to pick away at later.

Just like letting you register your black rifle. But there will be no future owners.
Then over the course of 10 or 20 years the majority has no problem making more restrictive rules for the minority.
[Think California]

Not just a slippery slope.
More of a greased slide. o_O
 
If you look at the requirements to get a permit, it says you have to take the class as defined in the bill, or fall under other groups of qualified people, on of which is:

"[(F)] (ii) [Is] Being licensed or [has] having been licensed within the previous five years to carry a firearm in this state, unless the license has been revoked; [or]

That is page 16, paragraph 12 of the pdf linked by the OP. So it sounds to me like if you already have your permit you can renew like always.

Thanks for the info! Still super messed up for people who are about to turn the age of carry or want new permits.

what a bunch of mook fux.

how does this make people safer? how does any gun legislation make people safer? its proven it doesnt.

obviously personal safety and the natural right to self defense doesnt matter when money is involved.

oh wait, oh floyd and mikey will probably still have armed security after this anyway.

i would never "wish" harm on someone but what is it gonna take for people to open up their eyes? what happens when you come home to your wife or daughter being raped and beaten by armed intruders? u gonna step back and call the cops? yeah, sure go ahead and wait for them to arrive. they'll be there in the blink of an eye.

:mad:

I moved here from NY to get the hell away from bloomberg and his bs. I spent the entire night writing to senators. Texas looks more promising every week
 
The ink hadn't dried on the constitution when people let the barn door swing wide allowing regulation on things man or governments had no constitutional right to regulate in the first place. Of the tens of thousand of "you cant do" or "you must pay to do" or both, I'll pick one; Smoking and the dubious 2nd hand liberal love child, and they now cry foul? No matter if it is for comfort, property values, the dog next door, A precedent for your life to be protected from yourself by others claiming to know best has been carved in stone over the last century is now institutional. Like the tide, will not be abated without a major reaffirming of the constitution or all out scrapping of life as you know it.
Get use to it.
One can cowardly run and hide to the next state and with luck may live relatively peacefully within their own devise over their lifetime, but rest assured even their new perceived utopia will eventually fall in regulatory shambles leaving their children or grand children trapped like rats in an experimental lab.
The warmth of a homes stove requires some sacrifice and a lot of hard work chopping and stacking wood. Our fragile rights must be maintained in the same way. Once it is left it up to others to provide warmth and do the chopping and stacking, beneficiaries become chattel and lose all autonomy.
And real personal autonomy is lost!
Lots talk a good line but very few are willing to give up anything to stay the tide if citizen dominance.
More than 99.9% of all disheartened with past or current oppressive legislation or proposals will not even give up one day of work to object.
Unfortunately, suffocating oppression, and a lot of pain bestowed upon us from an embolden, narcissistic and despotic government will be required of a majority to give up their warm home before corrective action has a chance. We are yet some distance from that.
The old adage of "you made your bed now lay in it" couldn't be more appropriate.
If you don't start crying out loud now soon no one will here you till we all are in the same boat.
 
Keep letting people know. They are doing everything they can to revise that part of the Town Center shooting
Yeah and it pisses me off. They can't handle that guns do save lives. The shooter had 128 more rounds!!! He could have killed 128 people but Meli stopped him. Liberals are confusing.
 
Thanks for the info! Still super messed up for people who are about to turn the age of carry or want new permits.



I moved here from NY to get the hell away from bloomberg and his bs. I spent the entire night writing to senators. Texas looks more promising every week
The current state of this wandering lunacy from NY to LA to here makes my blood boil. I don't even like the carry permit system here in this 'shall issue (for now) state'. I already get a background check and finger printed just to buy the firearm. I've never had so much as a jaywalking ticket and I'm 50. I think it's a load of S that I have to be finger printed at the courthouse and pay for the 'right' to carry. Take a safety class about CC to make sure everyone's on the same sheet of music about being responsable? Fine, gun safety is every citizen's responsibility I have no issue with that. Pay for a permit to carry and let the state police go through my spotless record in both the military and civilian life again and again? Nope they can pound sand. We have short term memory loss in this country. Barely 200 years ago some poor damned dirt farmer from the colonies already paid (with his life) for my right to carry my arm safely however I choose as far as I'm concerned. To that man I say, 'I haven't forgotten you sir.' And @thorborg is right as rain with his treatise IMOP.
 
Here is an update I received from OFF on two of the bills. Ole Floyd is working overtime!!
UPDATE ON ANTI-GUN BILL HEARING
04.15.17
Since yesterday's alert concerning the anti-gun bills being heard in the Senate on Monday, new amendments have been proposed to two of the bills.
The "dash 4" amendment has been proposed for SB 764. You will recall this was the one paragraph "place holder" bill that Prozanski wants to amend to virtually eliminate the ability to get a CHL.
The "dash 4" amendment borrows from another bad bill being heard that day (SB 797) and eliminates the safeguard that allows a person to receive a firearm after three business days have transpired if the State Police do not complete a background check. While the amendment does allow a person who has been denied a transfer the right to provide info to the State Police proving they are qualified, there are still no protections for persons who have been delayed, a far more common problem. So under this amendment, if you are delayed, you are simply out of luck .
An amendment has been proposed for SB 797 as well. As noted above, SB 797 is the bill that eliminates the three day safeguard and allows the State Police to deny you a firearms transfer literally forever. The "dash 3" amendment proposes that denied persons can provide information to the State Police to demonstrate they are qualified, but once again does nothing for the far greater number of people who are delayed.
 
California had this once, and now you can not get them at all. Oh you can go thru the hoops and jumps but then can still say no. I wont get into Oregon firearms politics as its so easy to piss people off, but I will say this did not happen only due to the Dems. It happened in part due to lazy voters and a poor recall attempt/ impeach attempt. Doing that and failing gave Floyd the revenge factor. I will leave it at that because things are not as they seem, but its not just the Dems that cause this, it was lack of voters and some making promises in the private sector they didnt keep.
 
Folks, if you value your rights in this state, it's time to take a sick day and show up at the State Capital on Monday morning, bright and early. Let's do everything we can to clog Salem with Honest, Law Abiding Gun Owners...

We have to show our strength and passion, otherwise we will be trampled by this socialistic legislature...

I'll try to be there. Went down before for something else (probably 941) and never got the chance to testify, it was packed....I'll see what I can do.
 
California had this once, and now you can not get them at all. Oh you can go thru the hoops and jumps but then can still say no. I wont get into Oregon firearms politics as its so easy to piss people off, but I will say this did not happen only due to the Dems. It happened in part due to lazy voters and a poor recall attempt/ impeach attempt. Doing that and failing gave Floyd the revenge factor. I will leave it at that because things are not as they seem, but its not just the Dems that cause this, it was lack of voters and some making promises in the private sector they didnt keep.
The other factor in the attempted recall was a corrupt partisan Secretary of State... I suspect another attempt at a Prozansky recall might go differently... And get a fair and accurate signature count by the current Secretary of State
 

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