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Get your chl just to be safe, but honestly just take it out of the holster and put it in the seat next to you.
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I own a Jeep Liberty , so If I'm going target shooting in the hills is it ok to keep everything in plain sight in the back of my Jeep ? (ammo, guns) or can they be in their respective cases ? this is getting very confusing. I hope to get my CWP soon, that would make it easier to transport "things" while on the road. I don't know about the rest of you but having my "toys" in plain sight isn't a very comfortable feeling for me.
Somethin' else to throw out there...
How about a loaded rifle or shotgun in a gunrack?
As far as I know, the question whether having a concealed long gun in your car counts as having it on your person is an open question. Having a gun in a suitcase you are carrying has been held by Oregon courts to be on the person, so who knows how a court would come out on the vehicle question.
I don't know that the case law differentiates between a long gun and a handgun, but if the gun is concealed in the car and readily accessible to the driver, Oregon courts have considered it carrying concealed. I'm sure this comes up with handguns much more often than rifles. I doubt very many judges are going to look at the type of gun and will be more concerned with whether it is "readily accessible."
Spengo, that is, hopefully, the way a "reasonable" officer would handle the situation. BUT-- read the post labelled "on the scanner", popped up in the last day or so, where a man was out shooting moles in his own yard, was reported as "dangerous and not cop friendly", was arrested, spent the weekend in jail, now has a thousand dollar lawyer's bill, his guns in custody, and oh by the way, all charges dropped. (seems to ME that, once charges are dropped like that, ALL should be restored to situation pre-arrest.
I'd not take ANY chances.... adhere to the smallest letter of the law... or get a CHL. All it would take would be one uppity young punk with stars in his eyes to haul you off, like our mole-killing friend above, and your life turns inside out for a while. Stupid, unconstitutional, unreasonable... but welcome to liberal/left-wingnut America.
A cased rifle in the backseat wouldn't violate the prohibition on having a concealed handgun readily available in a vehicle.
What about a cased handgun in a backpack in the back seat?
Prohibited in Oregon unless one of the exceptions applies (CHL, peace officer, going to or from the range at which you are a member, licensed hunter or fisherman going to or from a hunting expedition, etc.). ORS 166.250 forbids a concealed handgun in a vehicle if it's readily accessible. A backpack in the backseat is readily accessible.
Stupid, unconstitutional, unreasonable... but welcome to liberal/left-wingnut America.
I own a Jeep Liberty , so If I'm going target shooting in the hills is it ok to keep everything in plain sight in the back of my Jeep ? (ammo, guns) or can they be in their respective cases ? this is getting very confusing. I hope to get my CWP soon, that would make it easier to transport "things" while on the road. I don't know about the rest of you but having my "toys" in plain sight isn't a very comfortable feeling for me.
After reading the statute again, I cannot believe I never noticed that it differentiates between handguns and long guns on the vehicle portion.It's a fair point you make, but the Oregon statute clearly differentiates between handguns and longguns. Concealed carry of any firearm "on the person" is a crime, whether long gun or handgun. But the statute regarding vehicles only makes it a crime to have a "handgun" concealed in the vehicle and readily accessible.
A cased rifle in the backseat wouldn't violate the prohibition on having a concealed handgun readily available in a vehicle. Whether it would count as having a firearm concealed on the person is a question that I do not believe any Oregon court has addressed. If you have a citation to such an Oregon case, I'd be very interested to have it.
I believe that the intent of this section of the statute was to ensure that, with an open carry situation, the design of the holster would not become an issue as to whether or not the gun was concealed. By this I mean: if the design of the holster was such that it obscured the view of the entire firearm, but the holster itself was visible, an individual could not be charged with possessing a concealed gun. If the whole shebang is concealed, you better have a CHL.ORS 166.250(3) Firearms carried openly in belt holsters are not concealed within the meaning of this section.