Open Carry experience while riding my bike.

[mjbskwim]

BS
I can sell any gun I own to anyone who I know is not a fellon and I am covered without a BOS
"I sold it at a gun show to another person that I did not know as being a felon"
After that it is out of my hands BY STATE LAW. Nothing says any different
If not I have about 2000 reasons not to sleep out there w/o a bill of sale

Yes,if it was a hand gun and you have a permit,then it does stay on "the list" as you bought it,but nowhere does it say that you need to have a bill of sale or transfer the gun to a new owner through a ffl or state approved office as you do a vehicle.
Nowhere in this state's laws
No registration
When you go through a FFL it lists you as the PURCHASER not the owner,cause state law says you can sell that gun as soon as you walk out the door and it is NOT yours any more

No registration in any form

 

[mjbskwim]

How can you access it from a patrol car? Guess what, you can't. Unless the gun is stolen your everyday patrolman or dispatcher has no access to any information as to who owns a firearm. Some loses a rifle in the woods and it get turned it. Its treated like all other found property unless it listed as lost or stolen with another LEO agency. There is no firearm database to search to find the owner. You can find the owner by going thought the BATFE and ask them to hand search the records. They will physically go through sales records from the manufacturer to the FFL. Then the FFL will check their bound book for the purchaser.

"Then the FFL will check their bound book for the purchaser."

Exactly,the PURCHASER

 

[Three Bars]

A few thoughts on the OP:

The Constitution is not taught anywhere near the extent as when I was in grade school ('54-'62). Nor is each Amendment of the Bill of Rights gone over in detail such as it was in my time.
Even though these subjects are taught in school, they are not covered in any depth.
By the time I was 12 years old I could tell you that the 2nd Amendment was put in place to hold the government in check, hunting, personal defense, and other uses of arms are merely fringe benefits of the right to arms.

I would suggest that you Google. "Tennessee Firearms Association/Common Core" to get a idea of what is really being taught in our grade schools.
Of particular interest is a letter the TFA sent to the Tennessee Legislature in Oct. '13 concerning Common Core curriculum....if you're like me you may be shocked at how far this agenda has progressed.

The indoctrination is so much deeper than I had imagined. The implied messages run completely contrary to the intent of our Constitution.
For example; The recommended texts suggest that LE has the right to come into your home and confiscate your arms. Some passages suggest that only LE and military are guaranteed the right to arms.

Pretty much unsettling.

 

[OLDNEWBIE]

Don't know exactly when I first heard about the Right to Bear Arms, probably not in my Elementary School in the late 60s. Most likely from the World Book Encyclopedia set we had in the house.

I remember listening to patriotic Johnny Horton songs in music class though, and a few key points of the American Revolution so the teachers weren't total Kool-Aid pushers in that era just yet.

Saying that, back when I was 12, like the kids in 01rednavigator's encounter, a civilian open carrying would seem like something illegal to me. The 2nd Amendment just isn't on a kid's mind normally.

The difference now I think is a push by Educators/ govt. to put gun ownership in kid's minds as something that is outdated, dangerous and needs to be "fixed" before more slaughter, killings etc. occur.

As the man himself said we need to,
"really brainwash people into thinking about guns in a vastly different way."

 

[Three Bars]

If things don't change it's going to be a whole lot different after all the Baby Boomers pass away.

 

[clee109]

The only amendment to the Constitution public school kids are taught is the first. The teachers and their union then use the kids to protest for their salaries. Go figure...

Our kids go to private school. My eldest son is just now entering second grade. He has yet to learn anything of the Constitution, but at least they say the pledge of allegiance every day and there is an American flag in every classroom.

 

[40calruler]

The only amendment to the Constitution public school kids are taught is the first. The teachers and their union then use the kids to protest for their salaries. Go figure...

Our kids go to private school. My eldest son is just now entering second grade. He has yet to learn anything of the Constitution, but at least they say the pledge of allegiance every day and there is an American flag in every classroom.

My kids will stay in private school so long as I can help it. I switched them 3 years ago and grades have shot up and attitude has been better. The 15 student class rooms helps a lot compared to my oldest in public school having 35 kids in 1st grade.
The switch made an instant grade average change and no more complaints from teacher about my child "asking too many questions". As well as having an American flag and saying the pledge of allegiance every morning they teach with the "church" in mind and a very conservative mind set. Sometimes that goes overboard and I have to tell my kids just because they believe something it is not Ok to tell their friends that they "have to" believe it as well.
It is worth the minor set backs as far as I am concerned though. Including my wife or I having to take them in every morn since there is not bus.

 

[clee109]

My wife went to private school throughout her school career and I went to public here in the PPS. When I was a kid (late 80's - 90's) the curriculum hadn't become quite what it is today, but it was shifting.

In grade school we did the pledge of allegiance through about 5th grade, middle school it was done and the flags were removed. We learned literally nothing of the 1st and 2nd world wars and learned very little about the revolutionary war (perhaps the most important of them all). For me, I was a bit of a nerd and enjoyed The History Channel (or as many of my teachers referred to it, The Hitler Channel) and learned most of my knowledge of the wars through that.

My parents being raging conservatives got me books on the revolutionary war and the constitution which I read as well.

What public school taught me of our wars was the civil war. Every single year we had at least a month long dialog about the civil war which perhaps by pure coincidence occurred during black history month. This isn't a bad thing, but the teachers never mentioned the fact that much of the civil war was fought to keep the nation as ONE nation. We were taught it was fought purely for the freedom of the slaves.

My wife on the other hand learned of most all of the wars in pretty decent depth. The pledge was said every single morning throughout high school as part of their morning prayer. What she saw in school and what I saw in school amongst the kids were wildly different. While her school had it's issues with kids and drugs and other illicit activity, her stories made my school seem like the ghetto.

At the end of the day I'll forgo home ownership and new cars every two years to keep my kids in private school, I'll wear the same damn clothes for years at a time until they wear through and put my wants on hold if that's what it takes to pay for it and keep them there throughout their career.

 

[bakersman345]

I am not particularly surprised that they didn't know the laws regarding open carry - a lot of adults don't. It is not unheard of to see posts on various forums asking about the process to get a gun "registered" in Oregon or Washington. I've had people ask me that face to face too.

Not knowing about the Second Amendment - that is a bit surprising - but then a lot of people are basically ignorant anyway, and children still have a lot to learn. It may have been mentioned in class and they were just not paying attention.

They probably are unaware or all the amendments hell what this constitution thing isn't that from RPG games

 

[Three Bars]

Just goes to show how much easier it is to deprive freedoms from those who never new they had them.

All of this was started in the '50s in the start of the Cold War. I remember my dad coming home after attending a meeting about this plan the Communists/Socialists had to destroy, and take over the US from the inside.
The drugs, the breakdown of morals, the breaking down of the family, the whole ball of wax including the importance of creating division among the "masses".
And the implementation of this agenda started in the education system.

I compliment you guys who are seeing to a proper education for your kids.

 

[PPKPat]

I began commuting by bicycle about ~6 years ago after the cost of gas and downtown parking became outrageous. 90% of my ride is spent on the Springwater Corridor. I got my CHL three years ago after a friend was attacked riding her bike. I wouldn't ever open carry while riding my bike anywhere in Portland.

 

[Certaindeaf]

I began commuting by bicycle about ~6 years ago after the cost of gas and downtown parking became outrageous. 90% of my ride is spent on the Springwater Corridor. I got my CHL three years ago after a friend was attacked riding her bike. I wouldn't ever open carry while riding my bike anywhere in Portland.

That's where all the murdering bums hang out/live.

 

[PPKPat]

That's where all the murdering bums hang out/live.

Yeah, I am concerned every time I have to bike past the massive campsites in the early morning hours, and especially at night. The Springwater Corridor has gotten a lot worse over the past few years... Makes me pedal even faster

 

[oknow]

Have you purchased a gun in Washington?? Did you or the FFL fill out that 3part form?/ If you did your gun is registered.

not if you bought it from a forum member ftf

 

[deen_ad]

I seriously hate the bikes that lock your feet in and people try to keep them up without having to slide their foot out of the lock. What is wrong with simple peddles and a good pair of running shoes.

Because with the rat traps you can pull up as well as push down. Takes some practice though. And getting your foot in isn't too mush of a problem IF you don't us the special shoes with the clips on the bottom. I wear plain tennie runners and can put the foot in and out easily.

Deen
NRA Life Member, Benefactor Level
NRA Golden Eagle member
Defender of Freedom Award

"A gun is like a parachute. If you need one and don't have it, you'll probably never need one again!"

 

[deen_ad]

I thought Washington CHL holders had to register their handguns.

NO!! (and it's a CPL (Concealed Pistol License) here)

Deen
NRA Life Member, Benefactor Level
NRA Golden Eagle member
Defender of Freedom Award

"A gun is like a parachute. If you need one and don't have it, you'll probably never need one again!"

 

[40calruler]

Because with the rat traps you can pull up as well as push down. Takes some practice though. And getting your foot in isn't too mush of a problem IF you don't us the special shoes with the clips on the bottom. I wear plain tennie runners and can put the foot in and out easily.

Deen
NRA Life Member, Benefactor Level
NRA Golden Eagle member
Defender of Freedom Award

"A gun is like a parachute. If you need one and don't have it, you'll probably never need one again!"

I was going to sell mine but I will give it a decent try. I was so frustrated with the special shoes locking me in. First time I have ate crap on a bike in a long time. It is a better bike than my regular mountain bike so it is worth trying to get used to.

 

[Doc In UPlace]

It is possible, though not required, to 'register' your handgun purchase here in WA.
Here's the form:
http://www.dol.wa.gov/forms/652004.pdf
FWIW. Either your shoot is righteous or it is not. Some registration paperwork is not going to change those facts.

 

[Certaindeaf]

Next time just scritch yer nards and mutter "Merica!".
Leave the little cretins to figure it out on their own.

 

[40calruler]

With the special shoes in place I may need help scratching my nards. I ditched those this morning and the bike was a lot more fun without feeling stuck to the pedals. Not exactly comfy but I am less worn out than riding my other bike the regular 5 mile trip.
Thanks for the tip Deen. Those guys at the shop talked the special shoes up like they are magic. Maybe they are great for some but I just want the exercise and have no desire to relearn to ride a bike. I am hopeful they will take the shoes that cost over 100 dollars back since my 40 dollar nikes work much better. That and they do not make me sound like a tap dancer when I go into a mini mart for a cold drink.