on killing tanks

[rjmt]

I just watched a video from Ukraine

Ukrainian army uses drones as remote mine-laying system

The Ukrainian 28th Mechanized Brigade soldiers use a small unmanned ground vehicle capable of scattering anti-tank mines. A video has emerged on social media showing what appears to be a small unmanned ground vehicle that "scatters" Soviet-era TM-62M anti-tank mines. A drone system is reportedly...

defence-blog.com

they have designed and built ground drone that drop anti tank mines
these are RC controlled tracked chassis that carry 3 - 4 mines
when a Russian attack is expected, the Ukrainians send them out into the weed
the Russian anti mining vehicles come through de-mining a path for the tanks
after they pass, these ground drone scoot out of the weeds and lay new mines behind the de-mining vehicle, then scoot away again
ya got to love it

 

[VinnieBoomBah]

There's an old saying that "Generals always fight the last war" but I think we are a few generations past "the last war" at this point

 

[The Heretic]

There's an old saying that "Generals always fight the last war" but I think we are a few generations past "the last war" at this point

In some ways yes. But if we were fighting directly the Ukraine/Russia war, it would be a quite different war. There would be a LOT more going on in the air (we would establish air superiority rather quickly) and the sea, and it would not have lasted this long. I doubt there would be any trenches and there would be more armor, larger drones and cruise missiles.

Not to mention that we would go deeper into Russia, and NATO would be involved.

That is assuming that it didn't turn into a nuclear war.

 

[wired]

In some ways yes. But if we were fighting directly the Ukraine/Russia war, it would be a quite different war. There would be a LOT more going on in the air (we would establish air superiority rather quickly) and the sea, and it would not have lasted this long. I doubt there would be any trenches and there would be more armor, larger drones and cruise missiles.

Not to mention that we would go deeper into Russia, and NATO would be involved.

That is assuming that it didn't turn into a nuclear war.

thats kind of the problem. It would go Nuclear as soon as NATO crosses the border.. The Russians would have no qualms about vaporizing a few NATO divisions on Russian soil. Then after that they'll light up Ukraine like a Christmas tree. The question after that is if tactical weapons give way to ICBM's. Then its game over.

 

[Lazyfaire]

the USMC is eliminating main battle tanks from their TO&E
they find they no longer fit into their objectives

Goodbye, tanks: How the Marine Corps will change, and what it will lose, by ditching its armor

Commandant Gen. David H. Berger has said that should armor be needed by Marines, he would look to the Army to provide that capability.

www.marinecorpstimes.com

The Marines want to get rid of their tanks. Here’s why.

“We have sufficient evidence to conclude that this capability [tanks], despite its long and honorable history in the wars of the past, is operationally unsuitable for our highest-priority challenges in the future,” the report said about the divestment of Marine tanks.

www.marinecorpstimes.com

Marines to Shut Down All Tank Units, Cut Infantry Battalions in Major Overhaul

In the next decade, the Marine Corps will no longer operate tanks or have law enforcement battalions.

www.military.com

Dump the tanks and buy more A-10s

 

[rjmt]

In some ways yes. But if we were fighting directly the Ukraine/Russia war, it would be a quite different war. There would be a LOT more going on in the air (we would establish air superiority rather quickly) and the sea, and it would not have lasted this long. I doubt there would be any trenches and there would be more armor, larger drones and cruise missiles.

Not to mention that we would go deeper into Russia, and NATO would be involved.

That is assuming that it didn't turn into a nuclear war.

I doubt Russia would have become involved if they knew the US was a challenged combatent

thats kind of the problem. It would go Nuclear as soon as NATO crosses the border.. The Russians would have no qualms about vaporizing a few NATO divisions on Russian soil. Then after that they'll light up Ukraine like a Christmas tree. The question after that is if tactical weapons give way to ICBM's. Then its game over.

where did any scenario mentioned involve NATO crossing the Russian boarder?
unless you mean the Ukrainian territory Putin illegally occupied and claimed
this is getting off topic
I started this thread about tactical warfare against present day armor technology
on killing tanks!!!
I would hate to have it shut down due to political rhetoric

 

[rjmt]

Dump the tanks and buy more A-10s

actually this Polish drone only cost $20K and can destroy any Orc tank

Ukraine’s Next-Gen Anti-Tank Drones Are Bigger, Tougher And Much Smarter (Updated: New Video)

Ukraine's next generation of small attack drones will have onboard AI, smart navigation, increased range and a bigger bombload as well as a 'kamikaze mode.'

www.forbes.com

not to mention the Australian cardboard surveillance drones who spot Orc tanks for air strikes and land mine drones

Ukraine is fielding new $3,500 'cardboard' drones against Russia — they're flat-packed and could prove deadly

The Corvo PPDS drone has a lightweight exterior packed with military-grade components, and it's yet another innovation being embraced in Ukraine.

www.businessinsider.com

 

[Alexx1401]

not to mention the Australian cardboard surveillance drones who spot Orc tanks for air strikes and land mine drones

Ukraine is fielding new $3,500 'cardboard' drones against Russia — they're flat-packed and could prove deadly

The Corvo PPDS drone has a lightweight exterior packed with military-grade components, and it's yet another innovation being embraced in Ukraine.

www.businessinsider.com

According to SYPAQ, the drone arrives in a package some two and a half feet long — and isn't much more complicated than an IKEA product.
Well that means a lot of them will never get put together and tossed half done.

 

[rjmt]

According to SYPAQ, the drone arrives in a package some two and a half feet long — and isn't much more complicated than an IKEA product.
Well that means a lot of them will never get put together and tossed half done.

Several made it to Moscow

 

[ma96782]

Whatever.....
I suspect that the Taiwan Marines will be using their Top attack/Anti-tank weapons on the tanks and landing craft(s) of the CCP. So.....it's all good.

Of course.....the cost and just getting them, will be somewhat of a problem. Considering the backlog of orders at RTX and LMT.

Aloha, Mark

 

[The Heretic]

The King of the IS Heavies - The IS-7 -

Imagine a 75 ton machine that has better armor than a heavy tank, a better gun than a tank destroyer and the mobility of a medium tank.

tankhistoria.com

 

[The Heretic]

 

[The Heretic]

 

[CountryGent]

and isn't much more complicated than an IKEA product. Well that means a lot of them will never get put together and tossed half done.

 

[Provincial]

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A-10 gong.

 

[The Heretic]

 

[ma96782]

Looks like Russia sacrifices its old tanks first to run the west out of missles and money. With chips hard to get it may be hard to replace our missles.

$51,000 for a Dragon

$147,000 for a Javelin

Wars of attrition get expensive.

Yeah, use up those expensive antitank missiles.
Whatever......more targets are coming......

And that will probably mean that the numbers of tank crews will also get low too.

Aloha, Mark

PS.......full disclosure.

I own RTX stock.

 

[ma96782]

Tank on tank can be expensive.
So, I'm all for spending less, when destroying an enemy. Start at 4:05

Aloha, Mark

PS....Technology marches on.

 

[The Heretic]

Merkava Tank's Trophy Protection System Showcased In Hamas Video

New footage from the conflict in Gaza highlights the value of active protection systems like Trophy, especially in urban warfare.

news.yahoo.com