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OK guys, give me a list of the must have most important battle rifles.

Discussion in 'Rifle Discussion' started by Phillyfan, Apr 4, 2013.

  1. Phillyfan

    Phillyfan Oregon City, Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    So, I think I've mentioned many times that my grandfather gave me a sporterized mauser 98k (swazticas and everything) for graduation that I hunt with to this day. Favorite gun of all time and will never be listed here, but.... I then picked up a never fired 1943 mosin nagant 91/30. It was cheap and I was always curious how something in a somewhat useful caliber could be so cheap. After cleaning it up two things became very apparent to me. One was that as ugly as this thing was, it was a damn good shooter. The second was that it was so obvious comparing the engineering and tooling between that mauser and the mosin of where techonology was at that time in those countries. The mauser so refined, smooth, tight tolerances, so well made. The mosin, grind marks everywhere, corners cut where ever possible, but what held it together was a simple design that was impossible to screw up.

    I'm a history buff, and know where these two countries were at the time the rifles were made, and they each reflect it. So now I am getting into collecting battle rifles. I have a great Mak-90 that is unfired and being put back to AK configuration, but that's it (aside from the two previously mentioned).

    Wondering what rifles you guys think should be added. Keep in mind the budget is not infinite. It takes a hell of a lot for me to pony up more than $1000 for anything. Obviously, I need to get a large ring Mauser 98k, because my .270 win is not to mil-spec. I have some in mind, but would like to see what you guys think needs to be at the top of the list. How about each person give me their top three. Should be fun.
     
  2. trainsktg

    trainsktg Portland OR Well-Known Member

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    Without getting into the debate of what constitutes a 'battle rifle', my top three picks are an '03 Mk.1 Springfield, a Finn M39 Mosin Nagant and a Russian 7.62x39 AK103.

    Keith
     
  3. mosinguy1

    mosinguy1 out by the ocean Active Member

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    6.5 Swede K31Swiss and sks

    6.5 and k31 will wow you in accuracy

    sks just because they are hella tuff

    If you dont mind odd ball 6.5 Dutch is another round that will wow you.
     
  4. chainsaw

    chainsaw East side of Or. Active Member

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    M1 Garrand,98 Mauser,Enfield.
     
  5. Phillyfan

    Phillyfan Oregon City, Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    The very definition of "battle rifle" in my mind, of course add in the mosin. When I think "battle rifle" I don't necessarily mean best rifle. I mean the rifle that defined a nation at arms for that generation.
     
  6. chainsaw

    chainsaw East side of Or. Active Member

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    Agreed,arisaka would have been a fourth if a fourth option was availible.
     
  7. Dapapadon

    Dapapadon Gladstone, OR Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    I keep my eyes open for old military rifles. It seems hard to find a good deal on one if you go looking for a specific model. But top of my list right now would be:

    M1 Garand (or M1 Carbine)
    Britsh Enfield - I think I'd prefer the No. 4 Mk 1, but if I find a good example who knows.
    Swiss K31 or ???

    I've got two mausers, a Spanish & a Yugo but would like to find a nice German model.
    I've got 2 Mosin Nagant 91/30s and a Romanian M44 and looking for a M38 or 39.

    I've got 2 Yugo SKSs, the first one I bought from a member here. It's a little rough, but shoots great & I like it. The second one I found at a LGS and it looks new. Still haven't shot it cause the first one works so good. But I'd still like to find a really nice Russian one. I passed up 2 nice ones before the current panic set in. Wish I would of bought one, the prices seem to have gone up on them.

    Good luck in your search.

    Don
     
  8. Qaolin

    Qaolin 1 A.U. from a G2 near Beaverton Old Army Cook Silver Supporter

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    Given the variations of the Mosin Nagant 91-91/30 series you could fill your house with them. Any list of important rifles would have to include the FN Herstal FAL which became the "it" rifle of most of NATO and many other countries as well. I would also say an Ishapore 2A would be needed, I know I'm looking for one just to have an Enfield variant made for 7.62 x 51. Happy hunting.

    Jim
     
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  9. 1970camaroRS

    1970camaroRS Mill Creek, WA Member

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    Here's the list I'm working on:
    Mauser K98
    Springfield M1903
    Mosin Nagant 91/30
    Lee-Enfield
    M1 Garand
    SKS
    M14
    AK-47
    HK G3/FN FAL/CETME/HK-91/etc
    AR-15
     
  10. mancat

    mancat Kitsap County Well-Known Member

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    ^ yep. the above list pretty much covers most of modern major-power armaments of the last 100 years.

    be careful with your wallet though. every single one of those rifles is like opening a gateway to the hundreds of unique variations on each of those designs.
     
  11. mwiding

    mwiding Vanouver, WA Member

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    Hey, lets not forget the
    Egyptian 8mm Hakim
    Egyptian 7mm FN49
    Swedish 6.5x55 Lungman (not sure if they seen any battle time)
     
  12. mosinguy1

    mosinguy1 out by the ocean Active Member

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    I know crap is gonna come from these 2 but they are interestingly good weapons, MAS 36, MAS 49 and MAS 49/56. The Carcanos too saw action.

    The Hakim is made on the Ljungman Ag m 42 dies. If you have a Hakim ya have to add a Rasheed carbine.
     
  13. trainsktg

    trainsktg Portland OR Well-Known Member

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    If the French had actually produced the MAS 49/56 chambered in 7.62 NATO with a 20-round magazine capacity, its my belief that the M14 and G3 would have been stillborn. The MAS is light, maneuverable, direct impingement and thus very simple, and very, very accurate...one of the most accurate that I've ever owned. As it is, with their proprietary caliber and limited magazine, it was a sure dead-end.

    Keith
     
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  14. Morpheus

    Morpheus Columbia Gorge Anyway, back on the farm.

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    FAL, definitely the FAL
     
  15. Medic!

    Medic! What just happened? Has eagle eyes. But cant remember what he saw. Bronze Supporter

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    Big three. Fn FAL, G3/HK91 and M-14/M1A. I have tried a couple M1a's. But sold them. I prefer my M1 garand's. Realy I prefer 5.56 guns. But they arn't realy battle rifles.
     
  16. One-Eyed Ross

    One-Eyed Ross Winlock, WA Well-Known Member

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    More dough boys carried the M1917 rifle than the 03 during WWI....during the early days of WWII, it was the 03A3...just as an aside.

    My list would be K98, Enfield, M1917, 03, 03A3, Garand, M1 Carbine, Arisaka....but that is because I love that era in history...not because they are the "best" or anything....
     
  17. chainsaw

    chainsaw East side of Or. Active Member

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    one of my favorite rifles was my m1917 winchester.Solid rifle that shot just as good as any Garrand i`v seen.wish I had another one.
     
  18. ogre

    ogre Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    1) Remington Rolling Block

    2) Martini-Henry

    3) Springfield Model 1873
     
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  19. MountainBear

    MountainBear Sweet Home, OR Well-Known Member

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    I've had the opportunity to own or shoot all the US battle rifles (or at least their semi-auto equivalent) back to the development of the self contained cartridge. All the way from the trapdoor Springfield through the AR rifles and carbines. Never owned them all at once. All of them have been lots of fun. Some more than others.

    If you want to start a collection, I would try to start in spurts. Try to find a niche you like. Start with US rifles, or Allied Rifles, or Axis Rifles, or even by era (WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, etc). That will let you have an achievable goal. Once you finish one section of the collection, you can move on. By focusing, it also allows you to learn a good deal about the guns you are looking for. Trying to learn about half a dozen rifles and their variants is much easier than trying to learn about several hundred.
     
  20. Phillyfan

    Phillyfan Oregon City, Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Good point, MountainBear. Thanks for the list guys. Some of these I'd never even heard of. This is going to be fun.