OFF's legal fee's Dine & Dash

[rhollister71]

Yep just shows you how much people care about beating 114. OFF put his foot in the door where it's done the most good and not many people want to keep there. Hope he can keep it up but he's going to need help to do it. Where are all the PRO gunners.

I would say plenty PRO gunners donated, but not paying your bills is a bad sign to me. i hope its the case of no money left vs unauthorized spending.
He and 3 others are on same case, so hes not the only 1? there were 3 other sets of feet in said door.lol

 

[Member 53328]

OFF's legal fee's Dine & Dash

https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2023/01/oregon-firearms-federation-owes-thousands-in-legal-fees-for-challenge-of-measure-114-lawyer-says-in-suit.html

www.northwestfirearms.com

They haven't and they won't get any money from me.

 

[AshWilliams]

Meanwhile supporters of LEVO and Measure 114 are pouring money into their coffers, not to mention tons of publicity from the Oregonian, plus a PBS crew was on hand to record LEVO's press conference to announce their resolve to ensure 114 is in place and enforced.

It's a full court press by the liberal anti-gunners, and half their battle is already won.

 

[mingus]

Just listened to Kevin being interviewed on KMED, Medford. I won't try to repeat it here, but he sounded convincing when explaining how the lawsuit was BS (along with the hit-piece article).
He sounded like he and OFF's legal effort are both doing fine.

 

[Nosferatu]

Just listened to Kevin being interviewed on KMED, Medford. I won't try to repeat it here, but he sounded convincing when explaining how the lawsuit was BS (along with the hit-piece article).
He sounded like he and OFF's legal effort are both doing fine.

The best grifters have been blessed with the gift of gab.

 

[arakboss]

Meanwhile supporters of LEVO and Measure 114 are pouring money into their coffers, not to mention tons of publicity from the Oregonian, plus a PBS crew was on hand to record LEVO's press conference to announce their resolve to ensure 114 is in place and enforced.

It's a full court press by the liberal anti-gunners, and half their battle is already won.

This is one reason why our firearm freedoms will erode away. A general attitude among many firearm owners is don't worry the courts will fix it for us. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't.

 

[nammac]

I'll forego a few boxes of ammo to help OFF fend off these attacked on Constitutional Rights as well as attacks on OFF. Think about it, if the left is successful at getting OFF defunded by gun owners, and OFF we're to cease to exist, they'll have free rein in Oregon. So much more than they already do…

 

[User 1234]

$250 for paralegal time is at least double the average.

 

[3MTA3]

OFF Response to lawsuit just received via email
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01.20.2023

By now you may have heard or seen stories in the media claiming that the firm "representing" Oregon Firearms Federation in our Federal lawsuit is owed thousands of dollars in legal fees.

This allegation is false.

Maxine Bernstein ([email protected]; 503-221-8212) a "reporter" for the failing "Oregonian" who made these allegations (which were parroted by others in the cartel media), knows it's false.

Even though she undoubtedly knew it was false when she wrote it, she has not corrected it. She did add one sentence to the online version of her story after it was published, and after being reminded that her allegation was false, but even that "correction" is misleading at best, as it was intended to be.

OFF's legal team is intact and paid. Bernstein's allegation is false, period.

The lawsuit in question, which Bernstein oddly knew about a day before the papers were even served on OFF and Kevin Starrett, is from John Kaempf.

Those papers were served at 4.30PM yesterday. Bernstein's story was first posted on January 18th at 9.15.AM

John Kaempf is a lawyer who was employed by us for less than three weeks. He was "relieved of his duties" on Dec 8th. All of this is public record, a record Bernstein follows obsessively.

As you know, after our hearing requesting that Measure 114 be stayed, the Federal Judge denied our motions, only allowing a delay in the implementation of the permit process, a process even the state admitted was impossible to put into place.

On Dec. 7th Kaempf, with no consultation with his clients, (which include several Oregon Sheriffs) took actions that were unwise and costly. Kaempf did not inform us that he was planning to take this action or request input or permission before he took it. The action was a hasty and poorly considered appeal directly to the 9th Circuit Court.

On the same day, in a Zoom call with the plaintiffs in the case, (OFF, two gun dealers and several Oregon Sheriffs) Kaempf categorically denied having filed the appeal. He later filed a motion to withdraw the appeal he claimed not to have filed. All these filings are public record.

On the following day, after it became clear that Kaempf had misled his clients and saddled them with additional and unnecessary costs, Kaempf was terminated with a request for a final bill.

When the bill arrived for a total of $66,161.82, (over the $60,000.00 he had already been paid) it included charges that can only be described as "highly questionable". It included thousands of dollars in billing for dates before we even signed a fee agreement with him. It included charges for over 20 hours on a single day.

And, of course, it included billing for the time he claims to have spent preparing and then withdrawing the appeal he claimed not to have filed in the first place and the associated filing fees.

We reached out to Kaempf twice asking for an explanation for many questionable items on his bill. Kaempf refused to answer a single question. In fact, in an email on Dec. 28th Kaempf wrote "And do not take my not responding to your various allegations now and going forward to mean anything."

On January 18th the media was reporting on the lawsuit which was filed for a bill supposedly 3 days overdue. At no time prior to that did Kaempf communicate in any way to seek a resolution. He immediately filed a lawsuit.

As noted, we were not even served until January 19th. In his lawsuit Kaempf claims to have worked on the Federal lawsuit for "several months." In fact, he was employed by us for less than three weeks.

For over 25 years, Oregon Firearms Federation and the Oregon Firearms Educational Foundation have a perfect record of on-time or early payments to everyone we do business with. That includes the many lawyers we have had the privilege of working with. However, we do have a responsibility to our donors in the way we spend their money.

In this case, we have made several attempts to get answers from an attorney we were forced to fire because of his behavior. Rather than respond he has chosen to very publicly sue us. That was his choice.

We regret this distraction but will vigorously respond to his lawsuit. We will not blindly write massive checks for bills that will not be explained. Because it's not our money.

Thank you for your continued support.

 

[ZA_Survivalist]

Off just sent an email out. I feel I'm 100% correct about my assumptions that the lawyer is crooked as hell and overcharged. They list he charged for a 20 hour running work day..

Many judged OFF here on NWFA.. it would seem this is how the anti gunners sow distrust amongst us.. we should be smarter than that. Their tactics should only be fore the typical half informed, low information types.

 

[Buster1969]

More fake news from the liberal media that several lapped up, just as they intended.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

Yep just shows you how much people care about beating 114. OFF put his foot in the door where it's done the most good and not many people want to keep there. Hope he can keep it up but he's going to need help to do it. Where are all the PRO gunners.

I don't understand "where it's done the most good". What good has it done? I don't fault his intention or guts at all. I just don't know how you can say it did any good. I don't know anything about OFF so have no feeling pro or con about them.

I will say though that IMO it's likely whoever tried to get an injunction and ended up with Immergut as the judge would have failed. Her decision was pre-determined. She supposedly wrote a 148 page ruling between Thursday evening and Tuesday morning, yeah right I believe that one (smh). She likely had her anti gun allies (perhaps the anti gun CA 9th allies?) write most of that ahead of time imo.

So far the GOA case has stopped M114 by suing on the OR constitution track instead of US constitution track, so I would say GOA has been extremely effective so far. When it gets to OR supreme Court as an appeal to Rashcio's final ruling it will probably be overturned though I would guess.

 

[3MTA3]

What good has it done?

IMO it did a few positive things:

1. It was the first action that was not just talk and rumors. I wasn't sure before that point if any of the talk was going to happen.
2. It brought attention to 114 outside the region and national gun lobbies.
3. We got to see up front that fighting this through the Federal Courts was not going to be a cake walk. IMO this was a huge "canary in the mine" moment for the groups who will be fighting this through that system once the Oregon Supreme Court tosses Raschio's decision (and you know they will).

 

[Flymph]

The OFF response makes a lot of sense, and pretty much what I see figured here.

I'ma go order some rock picks on Amazon to help OFF out!

 

[solv3nt]

The OFF response makes a lot of sense, and pretty much what I see figured here.

I'ma go order some rock picks on Amazon to help OFF out!

Smiles is going away....

 

[tkdguy]

Time to send OFF some more bucks.

Agreed!!!! Will do!

 

[tkdguy]

Paralegal fees at $250 and hour? Is that a joke????

 

[3MTA3]

Paralegal fees at $250 and hour? Is that a joke????

A joke as only a lawyer can tell.

 

[tkdguy]

Such an important issue the conduct of the law firm speaks loudly!

 

[nehalemguy]

Paralegal fees at $250 and hour? Is that a joke????

No joke but she's HOT!

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