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Obama To Ban Reloading and Gun Building??

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by ZeroRing, Apr 21, 2009.

  1. ZeroRing

    ZeroRing 26th District, WA Active Member

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    I saw this info posted on another forum and since I didn't see it posted here yet I figured it was worth a heads-up. This is real according to the GOA. (http://gunowners.org/a042109.htm)

    Obama Pushing Treaty To Ban Reloading
    -- Even BB guns could be on the chopping block


    Gun Owners of America
    8001 Forbes Place Suite 102
    Springfield VA 22151
    Phone: 703-321-8585 / FAX: 703-321-8408
    Tuesday, April 21, 2009


    Remember CANDIDATE Barack Obama? The guy who "wasn't going to take away our guns"?

    Well, guess what?

    Less than 100 days into his administration, he's never met a gun he didn't hate.

    A week ago, Obama went to Mexico, whined about the United States, and bemoaned (before the whole world) the fact that he didn't have the political power to take away our semi-automatics. Nevertheless, that didn't keep him from pushing additional restrictions on American gun owners.

    It's called the Inter-American Convention Against Illicit Manufacturing of and Trafficking in Firearms, Ammunition, Explosives, and Other Related Materials. To be sure, this imponderable title masks a really nasty piece of work.

    First of all, when the treaty purports to ban the "illicit" manufacture of firearms, what does that mean?

    1. "Illicit manufacturing" of firearms is defined as "assembly of firearms [or] ammunition... without a license...."

    Hence, reloading ammunition -- or putting together a lawful firearm from a kit -- is clearly "illicit manufacturing."

    Modifying a firearm in any way would surely be "illicit manufacturing." And, while it would be a stretch, assembling a firearm after cleaning it could, in any plain reading of the words, come within the screwy definition of "illicit manufacturing."

    2. "Firearm" has a similarly questionable definition.

    "[A]ny other weapon" is a "firearm," according to the treaty -- and the term "weapon" is nowhere defined.

    So, is a BB gun a "firearm"? Probably.

    A toy gun? Possibly.

    A pistol grip or firing pin? Probably. And who knows what else.

    If these provisions (and others) become the law of the land, the Obama administration could have a heyday in enforcing them. Consider some of the other provisions in the treaty:

    * Banning reloading. In Article IV of the treaty, countries commit to adopting "necessary legislative or other measures" to criminalize illicit manufacturing and trafficking in firearms.

    Remember that "illicit manufacturing" includes reloading and modifying or assembling a firearm in any way. This would mean that the Obama administration could promulgate regulations banning reloading on the basis of this treaty -- just as it is currently circumventing Congress to write legislation taxing greenhouse gases.

    * Banning gun clubs. Article IV goes on to state that the criminalized acts should include "association or conspiracy" in connection with said offenses -- which is arguably a term broad enough to allow, by regulation, the criminalization of entire pro-gun organizations or gun clubs, based on the facilities which they provide their membership.

    * Extraditing US gun dealers. Article V requires each party to "adopt such measures as may be necessary to establish its jurisdiction over the offenses it has established in accordance with this Convention" under a variety of circumstances.

    We know that Mexico is blaming U.S. gun dealers for the fact that its streets are flowing with blood. And we know it is possible for Mexico to define offenses "committed in its territory" in a very broad way. And we know that we have an extradition obligation under Article XIX of the proposed treaty. So we know that Mexico could try to use the treaty to demand to extradition of American gun dealers.

    Under Article XXIX, if Mexico demands the extradition of a lawful American gun dealer, the U.S. would be required to resolve the dispute through "other means of peaceful settlement."

    Does anyone want to risk twenty years in a sweltering Mexican jail on the proposition that the Obama administration would apply this provision in a pro-gun manner?

    * Microstamping. Article VI requires "appropriate markings" on firearms. And, it is not inconceivable that this provision could be used to require microstamping of firearms and/or ammunition -- a requirement which is clearly intended to impose specifications which are not technologically possible or which are possible only at a prohibitively expensive cost.

    * Gun registration. Article XI requires the maintenance of any records, for a "reasonable time," that the government determines to be necessary to trace firearms. This provision would almost certainly repeal portions of McClure-Volkmer and could arguably be used to require a national registry or database.

    ACTION: Write your Senators and urge them to oppose the Inter-American Convention Against Illicit Manufacturing of and Trafficking in Firearms, Ammunition, Explosives, and Other Related Materials.

    For additional information see http://www.oas.org/juridico/English/treaties/a-63.html
     
  2. ZeroRing

    ZeroRing 26th District, WA Active Member

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    sava6e Portland Member

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    Yeah i sorta read about this somewhere, I had no knowledge he wanted to target clubs or associations. scary
     
  4. Warthog

    Warthog Turner, OR Active Member

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    Time to start writing your congress man. I think I am going to print a bumper sticker,
    " I miss Dick-N-Bush" should be a real hit in Portland. I'd take Hillary now, if i could. The worst part is I saw all of this coming, and nobody would listen. Just wait until he has his Military size force here at home that he wants. The great part was when he said it, no one ask WHY?
     
  5. ZeroRing

    ZeroRing 26th District, WA Active Member

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    Just don't do what I started doing last week... reading the novel "Enemies Foreign & Domestic" :eek: :paranoid:

    Good bumper sticker idea though!! :thumbup:
     
  6. wakejoe

    wakejoe Beaverton, OR Well-Known Member

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    Time for an American revolution, before he GETS the army he wants.
     
  7. Warthog

    Warthog Turner, OR Active Member

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    The worst part about all of this is, the people who commit gun crimes are not at all worried about a ban, or any other law for that matter.