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Obama Says Gun Control Advocates Should Listen More

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by PinoyBoy, Jan 27, 2013.

  1. PinoyBoy

    PinoyBoy Snohomish County, WA Member

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    Found something in the spam mail, but it's something right? :confused: It seems like his target audience are firearm owners who will side with his agenda because his proposals won't affect them very much, if not at all.

    Obama: Gun-Control Advocates Have to Listen More - ABC News
     
  2. Silver Fox

    Silver Fox Puyallup, WA Well-Known Member

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    It's called divide and conquer. This guy is pulling out all the stops.

    SF-
     
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  3. timac

    timac Loading Magazines! Well-Known Member

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    This is true, all gun owners should stand united as one voice. NO MORE DEALS OR COMPROMISES!
     
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  4. jake2far

    jake2far Portland Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    The Second Amendment is not about hunting, rural people, or generational ownership.
    If no one in your family, as far back as you can research, never owned a gun, it doesn't change the "Right to own", hunting is a red herring, and skeet shooting is for fun, not defending family from "enemies both internal and external.
    The Obamination is trying to split the gun owners, he wants the "reasonable" one to see how wacked out die hard gun owners are, agree with the proposed changes and have a photo op with the safe guns and owners. He is talking about skeet shotguns, you know, the approved 2 shot weapons.

    United we stand, divided we fall.

    1 final note, I went to Salem for the gun rally, for those who didn't go, why not? If you think the rights you have are not important enough to take a day and show your support, than we have already lost.
    Salem February 8th, be there, the time is now, the person is you.

    Jim
     
  5. pdx210

    pdx210 Clackamas Active Member

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    "Obama says he has "a profound respect" for the tradition of hunting that dates back for generations."


    Well that's a nice warm fuzzy but As others have said it's not about hunting it's our last like of defense from oppression foreign and domestic



    Obama like most of government are clueless about the constitution and they don't seem to mind violating it


    Obama violated the Constitution in NLRB appointments: U.S. Court of Appeals
     
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  6. ThePhonMan

    ThePhonMan Spokanistan Gold Supporter Gold Supporter

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    This is yet another example of the Gun Control folks using “reasonable” exclusions for this round of the debate. We hear it time and time again, “Can’t we all agree that you don't need x or y for hunting, target shooting, etc.…?” They will position this argument as the traditional hunting approach (just like they did in the People’s Republik of CanweF#$%you). Once they get the public thinking in that direction it is easy to classify anything they don’t like as “not fit for hunting”.

    Did anybody notice this same tactic in Cuomo’s ranting speech? “…You don’t need 30 bullets to kill a deer…”

    This debate is not about guns it is about control. Period.

    Also, we shouldn’t be talking about “gun violence” we should be talking about crimes perpetrated by people with no regard for law or human life. We, as 2A supporters, need to reframe the argument around how we STOP these people not how we prevent them from doing more damage once they get started.
     
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  7. Mrand55

    Mrand55 Salem Member

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    Well atleast this pretty much proves they know they've lost their gun control push by using strictly emotions so they're moving on to more divisive ploys to accomplish their goals. They're now going after the low information voters that are pro gun, trying to "reason" with them. This thing is a long way from over. We need to make sure we keep email, writing letters and talking to our fellow gun owners, make sure they all realize that just because you may not be in to the "AW's", as soon as they get those, they will come after yours. BO knows darn well that the 2A has nothing to do with hunting but that no longer fits the script.
     
  8. kumabear17

    kumabear17 Issaquah Active Member

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    There seem to be some politicians that are trying to reframe violent behavior as the problem and not refer to “gun violence”. Mark Mullet, WA State Senator, is one (surprisingly for many of you a Democrat and no I didn’t vote for him). Part of a letter he responded with read, “...There are already many laws on the books related to gun control. I support enforcement of those laws already in existence. “. Dave Reichert, WA State Rep. to D.C., met with a friend of mine last week in Issaquah. He acknowledged his vote in 1994 supporting the AWB was not an effective step toward reducing violence. He reportedly said he was opposed to both an AWB and any law affecting magazine capacity. He wanted to see increased criminal gang activity prosecuted and perhaps something like adding court ordered mental health checks to the NICS data base.

    We, as gun owners, are partly responsible for allowing the anti-gunners to frame the discussion. They coined the term “assault weapon”. I try to always refer to a firearm like that as a “semiautomatic weapon built on an AR platform” and I frequently include the explanation that “AR” stand for “ArmaLite Rifle”. I also try not to use “large magazine”, but instead say a “magazine with a capacity of more then 10 rounds”. Finally, there is no such thing as “Gun Violence”. What exists is “Violence where a gun is used”. I’m sure there are better phrases that can be suggested, but we must not continue to be reactive. We must look for proactive behavior that gets at least neutral if not positive acknowledgement. This should be our goal in the letters we write and the conversations we hold if we are to build a receptive public perception. Maybe one recent example was the Seattle “gun buyback” (again anti-gunners created a negative phrase). The news reports I saw and read all gave at least neutral and sometimes slightly positive report of the pro-gun people paying actual cash. Our people weren’t portrayed as extremist by the media and it was noted their purchases were legal (only the Seattle Mayor whined about the legality of such purchases).
     
  9. fuhr52

    fuhr52 Lane County. Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Don't think for a minute that Obama and his minions don't understand the US Constitution. They know exactly what they are doing. They will chip away at our freedoms little by little. We will sit by and do nothing as the little things don't really effect us that much. Then one day they will spring the trap and we will all be effected. Once again we will here "How did that happen". Never forget compromise means agreeing with the left.
     
  10. swoop

    swoop Milwaukie, Oregon Well-Known Member

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    A gun ban bill has been proposed, so why is it not being voted on in the senate now? Why give obama time to twist arms and buy off senators votes? Seems that no one learned from the obamacare debacle. :rolleyes:
     
  11. drew

    drew OR Well-Known Member

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    I'm listening. I'm not buying what he's selling. I still haven't heard much that actually would actually result in less people getting shot by someone else.
     
  12. civilian75

    civilian75 Hillsboro, OR Well-Known Member

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    Not an inch!
     
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  13. timac

    timac Loading Magazines! Well-Known Member

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    The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism, but under the name of liberalism they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program until one day America will be a socialist nation without ever knowing how it happened.
    "Norman Thomas, 1936 presidential candidate on the Socialist ticket
     
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  14. Stomper

    Stomper Oceania Rising White Is The New Brown Silver Supporter

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    What about my family tradition of kicking the sheit out of megalomaniacal tyrants, up to and including shooting the sheit out of the goons that will do their bidding? That's definately covered in the 2A.
     
  15. Rotty

    Rotty Skagit County Active Member

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    I saw that story on the Drudge Report. Obama is trying to play the guilt card of "Poor me, I'm not getting what I want".
     
  16. revjen45

    revjen45 Snohomish County Well-Known Member

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    I graduated from gunsmithing school in 1982. Since then I have been hunting exactly once. Does that make any scoped bolt action center fire I may or may not own a sniper rifle?
     
  17. Kevinkris

    Kevinkris Aloha Well-Known Member

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    who cares its your right to have it.
     
  18. HahnsXD

    HahnsXD Battle Ground WA Active Member

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    Saying "...at Camp David, we do skeet shooting all the time" before spouting off ignorance about guns is no different from me saying, "Many of my best friends are black" before spouting off ignorance about black people.
     
  19. Merle

    Merle Graham, WA Active Member

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    Aren't shotguns and pistols usually the weapon of choice of criminals? He doesn't want to ban shotguns? I'm confused.
     
  20. HahnsXD

    HahnsXD Battle Ground WA Active Member

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    Nope. It's only wrong when 20 people are killed in 1 place. But the other 12,000 murders a year are just dandy.