Obama Looking For Ways Around Congress On Gun Policy

[2506]

Our founders would be appalled that a President of the United States could launch the country into an armed conflict half a world away without a formal declaration of war by Congress.
That is true. The fact is that WWII was the last time congress declared war as they are supposed to do. Korea and Vietnam were never "declared wars" and Congress passed the war powers act after Vietnam but have not followed it.
Lebanon, Grenada, Iraq 1, Bosnia, Iraq 2, Afghanistan and the Libyan conflict were all done without a formal war declaration.

 

[HollisOR]

Bill Clinton manage to use executive order to screw a bunch of combat vets. In Re; James Ruby, the R's are not that pro-gun either.

 

[DERGLOCKINMEISTER]

He was elected because there isn't a gullibility test in order to vote . He promised a utopia , and has delivered on nothing . Isn't it a tragedy that in a country like ours , that we were presented with the selection last election ? If you believe anything that BO has promised then you have proven yourself a fool. And I for one am sick of the justifying horde claiming that Bush or Cheney etc . were to blame ! I looked all over my ballot and I couldn't find either one of them on it .

 

[JGRuby]

People have such a short term memeory - because it fits there need to rationlaizlize the mess we are in today. The country was in a much better place before Bush and gang invaded the white house. The bank bail outs started under Bush via Paulson, and yet that is Obama's fault. We went to war against two different countries under Bush and he was kind enough to leave that for Obama, thats Obama's fault as well. Increased unemployment and borrowing from China to support the war effort under Bush yet we place that blame on Obama. Iran is a much more powerful country because we got rid ot thier primary adversary for them and North Korea got Nueclear weapons under Bush. Yes GW's name wasnt in the last election, i wish it had not been in the previous two elections. The one thing we did get is stronger rights for the second amendment yet we got our other rights crapped on such as freedom of speech. Hope it was all worth - thanks to Bush, China owns more of the US than we own of China. You guys like that feeling - I dont on d*** bit.

 

[cybersomatix]

"Faced with a Congress hostile to even slight restrictions of Second Amendment rights, the Obama administration is exploring potential changes to gun laws that can be secured strictly through executive action, administration officials say."

Obama Looking For Ways Around Congress On Gun Policy

He could always just go to the UN and act before anyone asked whether it was constitutional to do so.

 

[JGRuby]

Ok so I hear alot of bubbleguming, what about some solutions. I fully support the constitution - to me it is not a lving document that can be changed - it is to be interpreted as it was written. I beleive that there are certain people that should not own guns - the guy in Arizona is one - how do we determine who gets the guns and who doesnt - now this needs to be specifically defined so that it can be made a law that is supported. if this can be done then the rest of the laws to me should be voided pertaining to firearms ownership - if you are judged mentally capable of having a firearm there should be no restrictions. What about people who commit crimes with a firearm - how should they be dealt with. Remeber that your family cannot be protected 100% of the time by you - who do you want running around with firearms, if you were President how would you change the laws so that innocent people arent being shot when they go to the grocery store.

By the way there are a lot of people that are not trying to come to the US so dont fool yourself, even though I love this country it is not the perfect.

Respectfully

James Ruby

 

[billdeserthills]

Ok so I hear alot of bubbleguming, what about some solutions. I fully support the constitution - to me it is not a lving document that can be changed - it is to be interpreted as it was written. I beleive that there are certain people that should not own guns - the guy in Arizona is one - how do we determine who gets the guns and who doesnt - now this needs to be specifically defined so that it can be made a law that is supported. if this can be done then the rest of the laws to me should be voided pertaining to firearms ownership - if you are judged mentally capable of having a firearm there should be no restrictions. What about people who commit crimes with a firearm - how should they be dealt with. Remeber that your family cannot be protected 100% of the time by you - who do you want running around with firearms, if you were President how would you change the laws so that innocent people arent being shot when they go to the grocery store.

By the way there are a lot of people that are not trying to come to the US so dont fool yourself, even though I love this country it is not the perfect.

Respectfully

James Ruby

Well, it appears to me at least that The Constitution guarantees a person's right to own guns. As you mention, since it is not a "living document" the only solution I can see is to make damn sure a convicted felon has in fact become rehabilitated while in jail, since when he or she is released they should be granted their "lost" right of gun ownership once again. Of course if the person is "beyond" rehabilitation couldn't we just sentence them to death & reduce the cost on the Citizenry for the prison?

 

[JGRuby]

So what I am hearing is that anyone who goes to prison regardless of the crime they committed and is felt to be rehabilitated regardless of whether they are or not and gets out, they get to buy a gun the day they get out of prison. If that person wants he gets to pick up where they left off. A person that is deemed mentally incompetent gets to buy a gun based on this logic because all individuals have certain rights. Of course that person is not a criminal until he commits a crime so I hope like heck I am not there when they see that dragon or pink pig they need to protect themself from. You apparently have not walked around down town or rode public transportation lately. I would like to know how to tell when someone is rehabilitated or can be rehabilitated - seems to me even those that are charged with this task are wrong occassionally, sometimes with devastating results.

This is a very slippery slope - on one side we want to protect our rights to self protection, I want to protect those that I care for. I want to live to be an old man someday. On the other hand I dont want to have someone that just got out of prison, or is mentally damaged approaching my wife at Freddies while I am work and decides they want her car or even more importantly her life. I am a supporter of capital punishement but who gets to make the rules - for example Ridgeway to me a perfect example of someone that should not see tomorrow but our legal system has decided to spare his life. The idiot in Arizona took several peoples lifes, he may end up going to a hospital for the rest of his life, living a long fairly happy life with clean sheets and three squares a day. So the question I ask is how can we consciously allow these type of people to own guns? Supposedly the gun shop did not even want to sell the guy a glock but had to because he had a clear back ground check. What is the body count - thirteen or so innocent people, including a nine year old. I know I dont have the answer but before we start condemning others we had better figure out the answers to these questions. I do know that guns are not going away anytime soon.

Respectfully

James Ruby

 

[billdeserthills]

Well James Ruby,
I don't agree with you. Freedom was intended to be given equally to All Americans. Do not become a "Libtard". Yes We All want to be safe James, unfortunately that doesn't give anyone the "right" to take away another person's Freedom. If you don't feel safe, then maybe you need a couple more weapons in your pocket. Maybe it is time to get training for your wife & children, so they will be better able to withstand a threat.

 

[OcelotZ3]

Or he could just resign and he, his family and rest of communist socialist staff could all move Russia, China or Brazil since he likes their way of so much.

I went to school for a while in the ex-Soviet Union. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

 

[Trlsmn]

I admit to voting for Obama - I am tired fo the republicans as whole - i am tired of what Bush and Cheney did to this country - stepping on our first admendment ( illegal wiretapping ) confining people to prison with charging them with a crime which is against our country's laws, taking this great country of ours two war under false pretenses because we did not like a foreign leader, yet we let Saudi Arabia get away with attcaking our country - you do realize that the majority of the people that attacked us on 9/11 were Saudi Arabian citizens. Dont tell me that Bush did not know that there were no weapons of mass destruction - it is his job to get the facts before he commits the sons and daughters of this country to speculation -if he did not know this information then he acted completely irresponsible and should have been impeached for that fact alone.

And Obama has changed things how?

We also have had the privledge of record unemployment and overall a slow degradation of the standard of living in this country thanks to GW. It has continued its down slide under Obama but it started under GW. To me the Bush, Wolfowitz, Cheney and Rumsfield are poor examples of individuals - they did what they wanted and got away with it without having to answer to the American people for thier mistakes.

And Obama has changed things how?

Bush even had the balls to condemn Kerry - kerry was in Vietnam and was being shot at while GW was doing everything to get out of doing his military time back in the states. Wether you like kerry or not is not important - what is important to me is that Kerry was over there putting his life on the line and yet we allowed a serviceman to be dishonoered for the benfit of ex drunkard born again chrsitain that did everything he could do to shirk his responsibilities.

And Obama has changed things how?

How many of you use the VA or Medicare - if you dont like Government ran medical programs then quit using them other wise I dont think there is anything to complain about. The Military took care of me for 13 + years of my life and the medical treatment was fine. I am diebetic it is nice to know that I cant be refused treatemnt on previous conditions when I change jobs. I hav worked since I was 14 and plan to be a contributor to society till I die. All I ask is that I can get insurance and I will pay for it , it is also nice to know that if I become unemployed I can get fixed if something happens so that I can contribute instead of take away from society.

And Obama has changed things how?

Yes I voted for Obama, I could not take the chance that Sara Palin ( the quitter ) could possibly become president - but i do hope she runs next time under the republican ticket - if thats the best that the republicans can do then they deserve another Obama. The second amendment is only one of the dearest of rights I have - I wont allow one of those rights to get trampled on for the benefits of the others. I have served my country - I have the right to state my beleifs and I have answered why some of us white gun owners voted for Obama..

And Obama has changed things how?

I would do it again based on the information I knew at the time

And how would you vote now based on what you know now?

The more Obama does the more he seems to be helping out the super rich and doing nothing but paying lip service to the middle class and poor from what I can see.

Respectfully

James Ruby

 

[JGRuby]

Trlsmn
I do not understand the points that you are trying to make and question your ability to substantiate the statement "The more Obama does the more he seems to be helping out the super rich and doing nothing but paying lip service to the middle class and poor from what I can see." I really dont think Obama should have to apologize for the failings and crooked behavior of our last admiistration. Obama was handed a very poor hand and in my eyes he is actually trying t fix things in a positive manner as has been stated in my previous post. Yes I would vote for Obama given the choices we had this last election which was pretty poor in my opinion. You REPukes need to get a better candidate than a senile old man and a quitter.

James Ruby

 

[A.I.P.]

O'Blamma is 3 years too late. Firearm/ammo sales have doubled. There are more AR's and AK's in private hands than ever.

 

[billdeserthills]

Trlsmn
I do not understand the points that you are trying to make and question your ability to substantiate the statement "The more Obama does the more he seems to be helping out the super rich and doing nothing but paying lip service to the middle class and poor from what I can see." I really dont think Obama should have to apologize for the failings and crooked behavior of our last admiistration. Obama was handed a very poor hand and in my eyes he is actually trying t fix things in a positive manner as has been stated in my previous post. Yes I would vote for Obama given the choices we had this last election which was pretty poor in my opinion. You REPukes need to get a better candidate than a senile old man and a quitter.

James Ruby

James Ruby,
I find in your prior posts that you are Guilty of the crime of being a Liberal on a Conservative Forum. Were it in my power I would ban you forthwith, as should be done with anyone who not only admits to having voted for Freedom's enemy "Oboner" but who, in the face of harsh reality, still maintains that they would again vote for this same lying loser. You sir are what we call "Trash" in my state.

 

[Teufel_Hunden]

Hmmmm any bets on how much longer it will be......until a moderator shuts this string D O W N???

 

[OcelotZ3]

I find in your prior posts that you are Guilty of the crime of being a Liberal on a Conservative Forum.

Gee, and here I thought this was a forum about guns...

I will point out that Arizona isn't in the Northwest though.

 

[deen_ad]

A guy at work made a really point the other day about Obama and his vacations.

"let him go on vacation, at least when he is on vacation he isn't in Washington screwing things up, the country would be better off if he stayed on vacation through 2012"

But the problem is that when he goes to a foreign county he usually signs a weapons banning "treaty" while there or at least he has in the past!!

8 US Presidents have been NRA members
80 MILLION gun owners didn't shoot anyone today, a few criminals did!!

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The "Feedback Score" is low by 4, not everyone posts it I guess.

Deen
NRA Benefactor/Recruiter
Washington Arms Collector member
Arms Collectors of South West Washington member

 

[Scott]

I admit to voting for Obama - I am tired fo the republicans as whole - i am tired of what Bush and Cheney did to this country - stepping on our first admendment ( illegal wiretapping ) confining people to prison with charging them with a crime which is against our country's laws, taking this great country of ours two war under false pretenses because we did not like a foreign leader, yet we let Saudi Arabia get away with attcaking our country - you do realize that the majority of the people that attacked us on 9/11 were Saudi Arabian citizens. Dont tell me that Bush did not know that there were no weapons of mass destruction - it is his job to get the facts before he commits the sons and daughters of this country to speculation -if he did not know this information then he acted completely irresponsible and should have been impeached for that fact alone. We also have had the privledge of record unemployment and overall a slow degradation of the standard of living in this country thanks to GW. It has continued its down slide under Obama but it started under GW. To me the Bush, Wolfowitz, Cheney and Rumsfield are poor examples of individuals - they did what they wanted and got away with it without having to answer to the American people for thier mistakes.
Bush even had the balls to condemn Kerry - kerry was in Vietnam and was being shot at while GW was doing everything to get out of doing his military time back in the states. Wether you like kerry or not is not important - what is important to me is that Kerry was over there putting his life on the line and yet we allowed a serviceman to be dishonoered for the benfit of ex drunkard born again chrsitain that did everything he could do to shirk his responsibilities.

How many of you use the VA or Medicare - if you dont like Government ran medical programs then quit using them other wise I dont think there is anything to complain about. The Military took care of me for 13 + years of my life and the medical treatment was fine. I am diebetic it is nice to know that I cant be refused treatemnt on previous conditions when I change jobs. I hav worked since I was 14 and plan to be a contributor to society till I die. All I ask is that I can get insurance and I will pay for it , it is also nice to know that if I become unemployed I can get fixed if something happens so that I can contribute instead of take away from society.

Yes I voted for Obama, I could not take the chance that Sara Palin ( the quitter ) could possibly become president - but i do hope she runs next time under the republican ticket - if thats the best that the republicans can do then they deserve another Obama. The second amendment is only one of the dearest of rights I have - I wont allow one of those rights to get trampled on for the benefits of the others. I have served my country - I have the right to state my beleifs and I have answered why some of us white gun owners voted for Obama. I would do it again based on the information I knew at the time.

Respectfully

James Ruby

Well I did not vote for Obama and never would and my life under Bush was better. What did Bush and Cheney do that was so bad? Did you say war? I remember when Biden wanted Bush out of office for that and wars because there was no threat to national security. Now look we are bombing Libiya and I wounder if DA Biden will want to impeach Obama now? Oh but somehow it will be different. As for weapons of mass destruction they had them as I was there during the first gulf war. During that time Sadam gased millions of his own people and then with the war with Iraq he also gassed millions of them. Now where does that stuff go? We gave him a year to put it somewhere and I can hide anything in a year. So if you believe he never had any I feel sorry for you.

Yes life is just great under Obama as employment is at an all time high and the national debt just keeps shrinking and healthcare for everybody is great. We are going green and producing millions of more jobs. Who could ask for more.

Keep dreaming......

 

[akula]

James Ruby,
I find in your prior posts that you are Guilty of the crime of being a Liberal on a Conservative Forum. Were it in my power I would ban you forthwith, as should be done with anyone who not only admits to having voted for Freedom's enemy "Oboner" but who, in the face of harsh reality, still maintains that they would again vote for this same lying loser. You sir are what we call "Trash" in my state.

Well played sir!!! I to wish I could live in a state that calls military vets trash, they serve for a couple of years and think its OK to have an opinion about politics that isn't conservative! How dare they! And calling him Oboner, genius because it has the word boner in it but rhymes with Obama. I say we rename this site northwestconservativefirearms.com who's with me!!!

 

[OcelotZ3]

Regarding employment, Bush's total gain of 1 million jobs over his two terms was much less than during any other two-term stretch since WWII: Eisenhower almost 4 million, Kennedy/Johnson combined nearly 16 million, Nixon/Ford 11 million, Reagan 16 million, and Clinton over 22 million. So I wouldn't be holding that up yet as a positive comparison to Obama who still has some time left in his first term, and came in with a very poor economy. Regardless of which "side of the fence" you're on,

Regarding WMD's in Gulf War I, *of course* he had them, and *we* knew that, because *we* sold them to him. Rumsfeld was involved in that way back in Reagan's administration. So it's not the "revelation" you make it out to be that they were there in Gulf War I. But of course, that has nothing to do with Gulf War II and I'm not sure why you even brought that up.

Obama has been a disappointment so far is all I'll say.