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NWFA deal gone bad

Discussion in 'Off Topic' started by MarkSBG, Sep 16, 2009.

  1. MarkSBG

    MarkSBG Beaverton Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Hey all,

    I just want some feedback on a deal gone bad. A pistol was up for sale last night, I was first to post accepting it and I PMed him accepting it. I had cash in hand and called him first and set up a meeting to buy it.

    Well, unfortunately for me, someone called after me and told him he would come by with cash that night. I told him I would meet at his convenience. If I had any idea that the guy would sell to anyone who showed at his door, I would have left immediately.

    So, here is the question. Is it appropriate to call someone from the classifieds if you are not the first poster to try and make a deal? Once someone says, "I'll take it", does that constitute a deal of some kind that should be respected by NWFA members, or it it ok to try to make a side deal with the seller?

    I don't have any evidence that the guy sold it to a NWFA member because it was listed on another site, but I just want to know the acceptable standards here.

    Anyhoo, I am sure that I could have done things better and next time I will do things differently, but I could use some feedback.
     
  2. skud_dusty

    skud_dusty Salem, OR Active Member

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    Even when posting on multiple boards (which I and many others do) the first person to post/call/email with "I'll take it" get's first dibs. I've been in the situation once before where I had 2 people post within a few minutes of each other. I explained the situation to the 2nd party to respond and they were very accepting of it.

    I don't think it's very good business practice and warrants a negative trade rating if one person says I'll take it but isn't given the opportunity to purchase first.
     
  3. kenr74

    kenr74 Oregon Active Member

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    I sell a lot of motorcycle parts and money talks. I can't tell you how many "I'll take it" posters are never heard from again. Seems like the gun crowd is a little more responsible but in the end if you don't put a cash deposit down I would consider the item still for sale.

    Sounds like you did set a time to get the deal done so he should have atleast given you the chance to do it immediately before selling to somebody else.
     
  4. Mutoman

    Mutoman North Bend Active Member

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    Seems to me that you had an "electronic hand-shake" and that ethically the seller should have followed the terms of your agreement until you either bought the gun or broke the agreement terms.

    Make sure to give the guy an appropriate rating for his ethical misconduct. I believe it is up to the seller as much as it is up to the buyer to respect an agreement.
     
  5. MarkSBG

    MarkSBG Beaverton Oregon Well-Known Member

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    I appreciate the input guys.

    Is it appropriate to call someone from the classifieds if you are not the first poster to try and make a deal?
     
  6. Mutoman

    Mutoman North Bend Active Member

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    Nope.
     
  7. finch6013

    finch6013 Oregon City Active Member

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    I sell alot of saltwater aquarium stuff and live coral on another forum and I get people saying they will come right, away never to show up. I give them a day or so to respond and if no response then the item is back up for grabs.
     
  8. kenr74

    kenr74 Oregon Active Member

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    I actually just had this situation with some dirtbike wheels. Posted and got two "I'll take it" replys so I start working out the details with guy #1. In the mean time I get a call from a local guy that wants to pick them up ASAP. I told him that he was #3 in line but I would get back to him. Short story is that guy #1 and #2 flaked so I called guy #3 back hoping he was still looking. He had already bought some on ebay so I was left without a sale.


    If people would actually honor their word I would have no problem holding something for a few days but I stick with cash in my hand now.
     
  9. MarkSBG

    MarkSBG Beaverton Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Yeah that is unfortunate. I don't mind if people have the first cash here wins, but make it known that you are planning on welching on our deal at the first sight of cash. That is the travesty of this situation. I had cash, I had the time, I just didn't know that this sale was like Walmart on Black Friday.
     
  10. Weebs

    Weebs Clackamas County Member

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    it most certainly is appropriate to call even if you aren't the first one. How many times do you see someone say "I'll take it!" then the very next post is "still for sale".

    If you want to buy something call and let the seller personally tell you no. Until you hear no it's still fair game.
     
  11. MarkSBG

    MarkSBG Beaverton Oregon Well-Known Member

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    So if I call and he says that he has a buyer lined up, is it ok to offer more than the asking price to intice the seller to sell to you?
     
  12. Chee-to

    Chee-to Oregon Well-Known Member

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    That's fine as long as you let it be known "first come first serve," but if you make a deal with someone, then sell it out from under them because someone has cash in hand, or a better offer comes along, then "you are not honoring your word"..
     
  13. Chee-to

    Chee-to Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Well, if the seller has already struck a deal with someone else, that would speak volumes about the integrity of both the buyer and the seller, depending on the outcome........
     
  14. BUZO71

    BUZO71 Emerald Valley, Oregon New Member

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    give em a bad rating. It helps future buyers know what they are getting into. That's why we have negative rating.
     
  15. coctailer

    coctailer Portland, OR/Hastings, MI/Vancouver,WA I run with scissors.

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    Ya, that is disappointing. I had a deal today with the same seller. (Not the gun you wanted MarkSBG)

    I was the first to post, first to call and accept, and the seller was worried about me flaking out and said if someone shows up before with cash, he will need to sell it.

    I said "I'd like for you to give me till 10:00AM tomorrow to get there with cash. I am totally committed to buying it"

    He said "OK"

    Here is the thing..............Everyone saw me post. Everyone saw that I called and set up to meet the guy with cash,(I posted that in the thread as well) yet the guys phone was still exploding with people calling in offers to buy out from under me.

    I guess part of the blame goes to the buyer, who deliberately took cuts in front of you knowing full well you were first in line.
     
  16. MarkSBG

    MarkSBG Beaverton Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Had the guy even breathed that he would sell it to the first guy with money, I would have scheduled for an immediate meeting. I had the cash in hand and lived in the same city as him...

    Oh well... live and learn... It just depresses me that the 1st commitment system here goes to pot the instant people have the ability to jump the line.
     
  17. coctailer

    coctailer Portland, OR/Hastings, MI/Vancouver,WA I run with scissors.

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    You're right. I lost out on a deal here before the exact same way.

    I said in another thread that the first person to actually post in the thread "I'll take it" should get it.

    Seems like most of the members didn't like that idea.

    Some said the first to PM the seller gets it, some said the first to call gets it.

    I like keeping the transactions out in the open for all to see in the thread.

    That would cut down on all the sneaky behind the scenes action, and PM bidding.
     
  18. MarkSBG

    MarkSBG Beaverton Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, iIf the PM responses aren't used, why bother saying, I'll take it second. Most people do that on good deals.
     
  19. smithmax

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    One way to avoid this is to schedule multiple people to come by at the same time. I've done this when selling a few of my motorcycles. That way you have a better chance of at least one person showing, and then if it's worth more to one of the buyers they can take it with them.
     
  20. Cougfan2

    Cougfan2 Hillsboro, OR Well-Known Member

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    Cocktailer, was it the Rem 1100 shotty that you lost out on? If so, give the seller a negative rating so we can know not to deal with him.