National NRA - pro gun?

[No_Regerts]

You appear to live on this board. Like I said, we should steer clear of one another. Let's just agree to disagree.

Remember, whatever you do, don't cross the streams....

 

[Xaevian]

Remember, whatever you do, don't cross the streams....

We need @Stomper's windstorm trooper giphy.

 

[No_Regerts]

We need @Stomper's windstorm trooper giphy.

You done done it now! But he's like Beetlejuice, you gotta do it 3 times

@Stomper @Stomper @Stomper

 

[irwinhn1]

wasn't the NRA taking dirty money from sketchy countries?

 

[Spitpatch]

It may well be that the largest portion of any extraneous/"dirty" money was coming from their simple strategy of not including an accurate date (in " Renewal Notices") of expiration toward one's membership.

More than common in most subscriptions.

We got that stopped Because there were enough of us. Acting in entire unity.

 

[NW Backpacker]

Now bear in mind, I opened with legal rulings about absolute Rights. Heller legislated from the bench and over-ruled their own holdings. Absolute and unlimited are synonyms. The Court opened the door for gun control and destroyed over 150 years of established precedents.

I think most of us understand that 2A rights were given to us by our creator, not by government. But thanks for your list backing up that idea. I would say that the door for gun control was wide-open long before Heller; entire classes of guns have been restricted and banned for decades, as well as laws governing use and carrying of guns. Is Heller perfect? Nope. It would be better if they had ruled "all gun laws are unconstitutional", but to me Heller doesn't seem to be ".... the most anti-gun ruling ever handed down by the United States Supreme Court" as you claimed.

Back to the original OP question: Is the NRA pro-gun? I think that depends on how you define "pro-gun". According to the extreme anti-2A leftist organization "Brennan Center for Justice", the NRA must be rabidly pro-2A. They did say the NRA opposed Heller going to the USSC only because they were not sure they would have the required 5 votes, but they acknowledged that the NRA is why it eventually made it to the USSC:

How the NRA Rewrote the Second Amendment

The Founders never intended to create an unregulated individual right to a gun. Today, millions believe they did. Here’s how it happened.

www.brennancenter.org

Lots more anti-2A at their website - a group we should keep an eye on:

Second Amendment

The Second Amendment permits sensible gun laws. Our analysis pushes back on absolutist characterizations of the amendment.

www.brennancenter.org

Advance Constitutional Change

The Constitution was designed to change with the times, while preserving the promise of justice, equality, and liberty for all. The Brennan Center is dedicated to making sure it does just that.

www.brennancenter.org

 

[alim]

Don't confuse what the NRA used to be to what it is today. It's primary purpose right now is to enrich the people in the C-suite, like LaPierre.

 

[No_Regerts]

Don't confuse what the NRA used to be to what it is today. It's primary purpose right now is to enrich the people in the C-suite, like LaPierre.

The fruits of their labor.

 

[sobo]

But do you like Linguine....?
Andy

Sure, but I like piña coladas and getting caught in the rain... Should we plan our escape?

 

[Andy54Hawken]

Sure, but I like piña coladas and getting caught in the rain... Should we plan our escape?

I once saw a Pinto collide , in rain...as it caught fire , the owner got ran over by a Ford Escape....

Not really...

Now lets get back to yet another Bash the NRA and its members thread....
Andy

 

[Ridge Walker]

If you truly supported them it's GOA and they have been the real dogs in the fight. Claiming membership in GAO would be like Biden claiming to belong to the NAR.

Thanks, It's fixed now! LOL

 

[Ridge Walker]

I think most of us understand that 2A rights were given to us by our creator, not by government. But thanks for your list backing up that idea. I would say that the door for gun control was wide-open long before Heller; entire classes of guns have been restricted and banned for decades, as well as laws governing use and carrying of guns. Is Heller perfect? Nope. It would be better if they had ruled "all gun laws are unconstitutional", but to me Heller doesn't seem to be ".... the most anti-gun ruling ever handed down by the United States Supreme Court" as you claimed.

Back to the original OP question: Is the NRA pro-gun? I think that depends on how you define "pro-gun". According to the extreme anti-2A leftist organization "Brennan Center for Justice", the NRA must be rabidly pro-2A. They did say the NRA opposed Heller going to the USSC only because they were not sure they would have the required 5 votes, but they acknowledged that the NRA is why it eventually made it to the USSC:

How the NRA Rewrote the Second Amendment

The Founders never intended to create an unregulated individual right to a gun. Today, millions believe they did. Here’s how it happened.

www.brennancenter.org

Lots more anti-2A at their website - a group we should keep an eye on:

Second Amendment

The Second Amendment permits sensible gun laws. Our analysis pushes back on absolutist characterizations of the amendment.

www.brennancenter.org

Advance Constitutional Change

The Constitution was designed to change with the times, while preserving the promise of justice, equality, and liberty for all. The Brennan Center is dedicated to making sure it does just that.

www.brennancenter.org

Packpacker is correct. The Heller decision was very close. It was a risky but necessary challenge. The NRA (AKA: NAR) was justifiably worried and here is why, in the dissenting opinion of the 4/5 ruling had it been the majority would have effectively eliminated the 2nd. The minority called it a collective right of the Militia and not a individual right. Heller wasn't perfect and getting the Roberts court to defend it is another matter entirely.

Trying to fix SCOTUS? I heard the last chapter in Ted Cruz's new book is supposed to tell Republications how to pick conservative Judges that actually vote Conservatively, or 'Originalistly'. Myself I don't think it matters, the deep state finds dirt and poof yer a sock puppet!

Ted Cruz Clears Up Heller

 

[Kruel J]

Remember, whatever you do, don't cross the streams....

You told me you liked it.

 

[Kruel J]

I am the Key Master

 

[thorborg]

But do you like Linguine....?
Andy

Another world from Linguine, is linguica, my favorite sausage.
Harbor Pizza in Seaside has a Pizza that is loaded with crispy shavings of linguica and will make everyone forget their troubles at least for a while. Won't be asking for a take home box for left overs.

 

[No_Regerts]

Another world from Linguine, is linguica, my favorite sausage.
Harbor Pizza in Seaside has a Pizza that is loaded with crispy shavings of linguica and will make everyone forget their troubles at least for a while. Won't be asking for a take home box for left overs.

That sounds fantastic!

 

[The Resister]

I think most of us understand that 2A rights were given to us by our creator, not by government. But thanks for your list backing up that idea. I would say that the door for gun control was wide-open long before Heller; entire classes of guns have been restricted and banned for decades, as well as laws governing use and carrying of guns. Is Heller perfect? Nope. It would be better if they had ruled "all gun laws are unconstitutional", but to me Heller doesn't seem to be ".... the most anti-gun ruling ever handed down by the United States Supreme Court" as you claimed.

Back to the original OP question: Is the NRA pro-gun? I think that depends on how you define "pro-gun". According to the extreme anti-2A leftist organization "Brennan Center for Justice", the NRA must be rabidly pro-2A. They did say the NRA opposed Heller going to the USSC only because they were not sure they would have the required 5 votes, but they acknowledged that the NRA is why it eventually made it to the USSC:

How the NRA Rewrote the Second Amendment

The Founders never intended to create an unregulated individual right to a gun. Today, millions believe they did. Here’s how it happened.

www.brennancenter.org

Lots more anti-2A at their website - a group we should keep an eye on:

Second Amendment

The Second Amendment permits sensible gun laws. Our analysis pushes back on absolutist characterizations of the amendment.

www.brennancenter.org

Advance Constitutional Change

The Constitution was designed to change with the times, while preserving the promise of justice, equality, and liberty for all. The Brennan Center is dedicated to making sure it does just that.

www.brennancenter.org

Sorry that you believe that reducing unalienable Rights to mere privileges is not that big of a deal. Heller went 180 degrees opposite of standing precedents set by the United States Supreme Court themselves.

Any gun organization that would give up essential Liberty for the promise of temporary Safety does not deserve your support and I've spent enough time involved in court cases to know that the NRA does not come to the aid of those who put their life on the line for a definitive answer on the subject. As long as gun owners can lie to themselves and say that incremental defeat isn't that big of a deal, the closer we are to absolute tyranny.

I think I explained in an earlier post how the NRA says one thing to its membership and another to Congress. If you research it, the NRA was a gun control organization from the start. If you are sincere and you want your Rights protected, join and support the GOA. They ARE fighting for your Rights without compromise.

Lastly, constitutionalists never believed in a "living document" as you are supporting. I really miss the strict constructionists and patriot movement types before this backpedaling and compromise came along.

 

[sobo]

Lastly, constitutionalists never believed in a "living document" as you are supporting. I really miss the strict constructionists and patriot movement types before this backpedaling and compromise came along.

Hear, hear! Huzzah! Huzzah! Huzzah!

 

[No_Regerts]

Sorry that you believe that reducing unalienable Rights to mere privileges is not that big of a deal. Heller went 180 degrees opposite of standing precedents set by the United States Supreme Court themselves.

Any gun organization that would give up essential Liberty for the promise of temporary Safety does not deserve your support and I've spent enough time involved in court cases to know that the NRA does not come to the aid of those who put their life on the line for a definitive answer on the subject. As long as gun owners can lie to themselves and say that incremental defeat isn't that big of a deal, the closer we are to absolute tyranny.

I think I explained in an earlier post how the NRA says one thing to its membership and another to Congress. If you research it, the NRA was a gun control organization from the start. If you are sincere and you want your Rights protected, join and support the GOA. They ARE fighting for your Rights without compromise.

Lastly, constitutionalists never believed in a "living document" as you are supporting. I really miss the strict constructionists and patriot movement types before this backpedaling and compromise came along.

 

[The Resister]

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