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The only thing an NRA Cert. buys you is a discount in your liability insurance. I am not NRA certified, so I don't know how much of a break it would get me with my agency, but it isn't worth the aggravation and time to be bored to death with outdated material that I won't use anyway. You don't need it to teach, but you will need a certificate from somewhere that says you are trained as an "instructor" to get insurance. An NRA sheepskin is probably as good as any for that, and then you can use any of the skills you have and integrate it into your curriculum.
The things I teach are not at all NRA curriculum and I don't teach "concealed carry" classes. I make money training others. Not a ton, but as time goes on, if you are good, people who want to learn and not treat their guns like magic talismans that ward off evil will seek you out.
Don't get into it for the write off for ammo though. The students shoot way more than you will while teaching classes. Don't be an instructor for the shooting practice, do it for the teaching practice.
https://sites.google.com/site/psuconcealed/
I assume your referring to the organization I linked above. I've had a lot of civilian students tell me they want to be instructors. I'm always a little perplexed by the statement. People think they can attend an instructor program and suddenly become firearms / defensive tactics instructors. You need a to have massive amounts of generally government sponsored training and field experience to have a knowledge basis to teach from. Attending an instructor class for a few days will not give you the knowledge base needed to teach these topics.
Sure, I am currently an instructor for the following entities:
Safariland Training Group - Defense Technology - http://www.safariland.com/training.html
Oregon Department of Public Safety Standards and Training (DPSST) http://www.oregon.gov/DPSST/pages/index.aspx
Armament Systems and Procedures (ASP) Expandable Baton - https://www.asp-usa.com/
Armament Systems and Procedures (ASP) Tactical Handcuffing - https://www.asp-usa.com/
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You can sign-up for the instructor training via the included websites.
Well there are many issues training people for use of force. It requires quite a bit of legal knowledge about use of force law. Organizations like the NRA don't even touch on the legal issues on use of force. In addition you would need to train force-on-force with Simunition. http://simunition.com/en/home.
Long story short your asking for the impossible. There no way to quickly and cheaply train people to the level of proficiency needed. I wish I had a better answer for you but there's no quick, cheap program that covers the material needed.
Sorry
Loved simunition training. Mine was only with the M9 and M4. I believe they have models for many other firearms including more typical conceal carry firearms. I don't think it's reasonable to expect CHL holders to have experienced that level of training though. How many civilians that have defended themselves with a firearm took simunitions training? I've yet to talk to a female that has had simunitions training, force on force, etc. that held a CHL. Does that make her incapable of defending herself? I don't believe so. Perhaps we disagree here.
I think you make a good point about the legality of it though. This is why we'd want to make the certification for only "safety and basic firearm handling". Many of us are veterans and have had good instruction. We'd like to gain a certification mainly for the formality of saying there's a certified instructor within the group and to learn more about the best ways to begin the first steps of someone's firearm education.
If firearms safety is your only bench mark for carrying and possibly using a firearm in self defense your missing the important parts to keeping yourself and students you may be thinking of training out of trouble.
Can you, or teach your students to -
articulate AOJ/OMI standards for the state you live in along with the use of deadly force and continuum of force laws
know and articulate what the 21 foot guide line really means as has been established by court
precedent
understand what the ramifications of just reaching for or drawing your gun are tactically and
legally
understand and evaluate background and articulate the risks
know what your average draw times really are and what that means concerning the threat's proximity and articulate the ramifications
understand what to realistically expect a threat to do if you do shoot them and articulate the reasons why
know the restrictions on where and when you can carry
know what kind of legal representation you should have, the relationship you should have with them and how it's getting paid for
what you should do post shooting, both before and after the cops get there, then when to lawyer up.
know the ramifications of coming to aid of another person and risks associated
what works and doesn't technique wise
And those are just the things off the top of my head.
If you don't understand and can't articulate those things you leave yourself open to all sorts of really bad, life destroying things. When you are up on the stand for a potential criminal case, then a civil suit, after you defended yourself you can bet that the attorneys will ask you those questions and about where you were trained, then make you look like a reckless vigilante if you can't and your only training was an NRA gun safety class.
These are the things that take a firearm from a "Mystical Talisman", as so correctly stated by one of the above posters, to a defensive tool. You need to know how AND when and why to use it. Force on force training is a critical component of that, so yes, if you are serious about carrying a gun it should be part of your training.
"Can a civilian become a DPSST instructor?" - The answer is yes, but as far as I can see it's rare. You would need a lot of higher level firearms experience with a demonstrable skill level like competition, a lot of training experience, at least the instructor development class from OFA and the ability to demonstrate those instructor and shoot skills on demand at what I think of as an audition. I don't have a LEO background but got hired.
I have no problem teaching people how to shoot and teach them the techniques that will allow them to be a high level shooter if they focus and practice. I also have fun helping other people to be instructors. I shy away from teaching the use of deadly force legalities as they are complex and if you are careless, flippant or erroneous in what you are presenting you can get the student in a lot of trouble along with yourself. I have heard far to much bad and just plain stupid crap from instructors who don't treat the subject with the seriousness that the subject deserves. There is a lot of uncontrollable downstream liability in it.
You should really take a pause and consider how military training is really going to translate into a civilian use of force setting. The environments are very dissimilar.
Lange,
Since you're an instructor as well this study might be interesting to you.
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It seems like you believe many conceal carry holders are untrained and irresponsible with their use of self defense. I have not experienced this first hand. Every conceal carry holder I've talked to seems to understand the gravity of their self defense choice. Veterans are smart enough to understand the difference between military use and civilian use of firearms.
I've had more than 800 people through a class that I designed and ran over 4 years, so I feel that I have a really good idea what the skill/knowledge level of the more motivated American gun owner has on average. I can tell you that from the perspective of a competitive shooter in the 70% range who has also seen what the top level people and the average LEO recruit can do it's not great. It doesn't take a lot to get much better in a hurry, but you do need to show up and train, which is actually not very common. I'm also floored by the misconceptions that I'd hear in every class along with the huge gaps in knowledge. I've also had the misfortune of running a hunter sight in event and what I saw there was enough for me to never be in the woods during hunting season again.
I'm familiar with the information you linked. I'm also familiar with the steady stream of incidents in which someone did something stupid with their firearm. From forgetting it in the movie theater, shooting at a fleeing shop lifter to getting it taken away and being killed with it.
Remember the two guys with permits who ended up holding each other at gun point in downtown when one chased down a shop lifter and the other one though he was mugging said shop lifter?
All of the things I listed should be understood if you want to avoid some serious issues (legally, financial, tactically and physically) and they really don't take that much to understand but they do take training.
As a veteran, who I am assuming based on you posts in this thread doesn't have a lot of civilian use of force training, do you understand all of the things I listed as the pertain to a civilian using deadly force? Well enough to train someone else when they will face criminal and civil penalties if they get it wrong. Do you realize that you could face civil penalties for offering that training and got part of it wrong or even if you got it right, didn't document it correctly?
Understanding the gravity of using deadly force is one thing, being prepared to actually use it is another for everyone. Ever wonder why the military took so much time preparing you to do it? More problematic is developing the judgement about when not to use it, even when you may be justified but there is another option OR worse when using it may prevent your own injury or death but it would endanger an innocent 3rd party.
More than a couple of people with a lot of training and experience as instructors have offered advice on how complex what you proposed really is and the problems associated with it. It's not easy or cheap and take a lot more time to do right than most realize when they first play with the idea of being an instructor. I went through what I considered and apprenticeship under an experienced instructor for 2 years before I ever lead a class. That was after a lot of other training and 8 years as a 60% competitor at the national level.
I know that doesn't help you desire to get a program up and running in a hurry but you should seriously consider the go slow and build experience approach if you want to do things right. I like your cause and the PSU program as a concept but not doing it right could cause some serious problems for everyone involved. Reed did a similar thing and I was involved in that. It was a great success but the person spearheading it had a lot of energy along with a ton of training to be an instructor.
Learning to shoot proficiently can be taught first (I take it for granted that any decent class structure reinforces safety at the same time). For a lot of people taking the deadly force part out also makes the class less stressful and more fun further enhancing learning.Repetition is the key to mastery of any skill. There are a lot of aspects of use of deadly force training that will slow the class and reduce repetitions. You may consider separating the two parts as it can simplify the program and make it easier to get off the ground.
NRA has completely revised it's basic firearms training programs, blending E-learning with learning practical application of basic skills. About half the course is multimedia training that a student performs on his/her computer, and after passing that phase of the course, he/she attends hands-on training (approximately 5 hours) to learn and demonstrate basic proficiency (safety, gun handling, marksmanship). This new training program is just now being rolled out by the NRA.
Name: NRA Basics of Pistol Shooting
Short Description: The NRA Basics of Pistol Shooting is a two-part course consisting of an e-learning portion (completed online-in your own timeframe) and a hands-on practical portion conducted at a range under the guidance and supervision of an NRA-Certified Instructor. The course is intended for all adults regardless of previous shooting experience or NRA-affiliation.
More Details: Some of the topics in the course include: gun safety rules, proper operation of revolvers and semi-automatic pistols, ammunition knowledge and selection, selecting and storing a pistol, the fundamentals of shooting, and pistol inspection and maintenance. When you enroll in the online course, you create a personal identification number (PIN). When you successfully complete the course, printing your certificate activates that PIN. The activated PIN allows you to register for the instructor-led training portion of the course. Go to www.nrainstructors.org – Find a Course Near You – select NRA Basics of Pistol Shooting – and search.
During the instructor-led-training portion of the course, an NRA Certified Instructor will validate comprehension and application of gun safety rules; range protocol; proper handling; loading and unloading procedures; application of pistol shooting fundamentals; stable shooting positions; live fire; and a final shooting qualification.
Note : This course replaces the NRA Basic Pistol Shooting course.