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The REAL story that's being missed here are the AWESOME names of those involved in this story.

Student/Victim: Haley Bullwinkle

School Principle/Villan: Kimberly Frick

It's reads like a list of cartoon characters! ;)


Cool, Bullwinkle in an NRA shirt. :)
 
Says the fella with 22 posts..
Ive got family that have been a part of the NRA for 60+ years and retain a great portion of their literature they were sent. Haven't came across anything that even remotely pertains to restrictions they support other than hunting land conservation.
The NRA may not have been a loud voice in the fight pre 1980s, as they should have been.. But we can all agree no matter how powerful the lobby group, its the folks in the house and senate that push the bills.

If you wish to thumb your nose at me because I have "22 posts" that's fine, but it wont change history. They had their hands in making the NFA and GCA before their call to arms was the 2nd Amendment. Their focus pre 1980's was "the sportsman" and they didn't believe that suppressors, sawed off shotguns, and machine guns had anything to do with the sportsman. With that mentality they helped create these pieces of rather invasive, "infringing" legislation. User "deen_ad" posted on the "#12" post confirming what I just said and he has 4249 posts... so... ya... if we are measuring creditability by number of posts... I mean to say that he has about 4X as many as you.

Eagle
 
If you wish to thumb your nose at me because I have "22 posts" that's fine, but it wont change history. They had their hands in making the NFA and GCA before their call to arms was the 2nd Amendment. Their focus pre 1980's was "the sportsman" and they didn't believe that suppressors, sawed off shotguns, and machine guns had anything to do with the sportsman. With that mentality they helped create these pieces of rather invasive, "infringing" legislation. User "deen_ad" posted on the "#12" post confirming what I just said and he has 4249 posts... so... ya... if we are measuring creditability by number of posts... I mean to say that he has about 4X as many as you.

Eagle

Regardless, in our present day, would gun owners be better or worse off if we didn't have the representation of the NRA in 2013?
Face it, we'd be UK 2.0.
 
So public schools aren't teaching statism/socialism/feminism/anti-freedom bs?

I asked a couple of teachers about this and they assured me they were not. However, they would be curious if you could come up with some actual curricula demonstrating otherwise. They also wondered how involved you are with Oregon State Standards of Education.
 
Regardless, in our present day, would gun owners be better or worse off if we didn't have the representation of the NRA in 2013?
Face it, we'd be UK 2.0.

I have said, in this same thread even, that yes, we are better off today with the NRA of today. I just, personally, don't trust them enough yet. Instead of not acknowledging what the NRA has done in the past, I would rather see people learn from their mistakes...

Eagle
 
The NRA may do a lot of stuff I'm not thrilled with (violent video games? Seriously LaPierre?)

But they had a sea-change 30 years ago and have become an absolute pit-bull for our rights since, with increasing ferocity and clout.

It's frankly not fair to compare the NRA of 1960 with the NRA of today. It's a radically different organization from what it used to be. I send money to SAF every year. But I'm a life-member of the NRA. And while I think LaPierre can be a real putz at times, he's done a lot of good for us.

If you're thinking about their initial stance on Heller, it was a reasonable call. If it had gone the other way (quite possible) it would have killed gun rights in this country for good. I'm really glad the NRA was wrong on that one. But it wasn't a "gun-control," stance. It was an assesment of potential harm vs good and a judgement call.

Fortunately Gura hit a home-run.
 
I asked a couple of teachers about this and they assured me they were not. However, they would be curious if you could come up with some actual curricula demonstrating otherwise. They also wondered how involved you are with Oregon State Standards of Education.

They are and have been. To even make any comment that they are not is ludicrous. Anyone with their eyes open can see the result in the sick society it has produced.
There is no pride in nation being taught, they teach blame. There is a constant fight against saying the pledge, against prayer or even prayers by students or any political speech at graduations. Zero tolerances against even paper or finger guns. They teach untruths about the second amendment and that guns are evil to the extreme. The bring Islam into the schools but wont allow any other religion.
They push socialist agendas, but not freedom or rights under the constitution unless they twist the meaning around a socialist, marxist agenda.
You keep pulling Alinskyisms by trying to transfer blame about everyone getting into the schools pta, school board and full well knowing that not everyone can.
We were heavily involved in all of that and the committees outgun anyone those that try to oppose their agenda. Not enough parents see past their own 3ft square.
To play your game, you prove they do not teach socialist marxist views in the majority of schools today ! A couple of friends that you know that you say it does not happen is not valid anything.
I have a cousin that is a school administrator that even states that is the agenda he is told to push if he wants any additional funding and it makes him sick. Can I prove that to you, no, not without costing him his job, so it is just heresay, so dont pull that 2nd hand crap.
Anyone that even follows the news sees the degree that socialist marxist doctrine has infected the schools and as a result the government.
ALINSKY BULLPUCKY CAN GO SUCK AN EGG. IT'S WORN OUT TACTICS.
I Don't do alinsky crap any longer !
When you use them you only expose your true intent.
Alinskys rules for radicals is an old worn out leftist guide for idiots now.
The tactics are becoming more exposed every day to everyone.
Even those teachers that try not to push the leftist agendas risk their jobs if the dont tow the line.
Even the text books are rewritten, just as those that were recently exposed in Texas and forced to be pulled and corrected. They have gotten away with that kind of bs for too long. People are waking up to what is going on, but not fast enough !
No SB, There is far more than enough evidence out there that proves they are. This time you try to prove they are not !
 
Taku, why is it that far-right-wingers (a title I don't think you'd find insulting) always quote Saul Allinsky and accuse anyone who disagrees with you of using his tactics?

Just so you know, I'd never HEARD of Allinsky before you guys started accusing everyone and their brother of being his groupies.

I looked him up a couple of years ago and he was a lefty union organizer from my recollection, who had some influence on some people. You guys are acting as though he's the anti-christ reaching out through the grave to "Corrupt the Youth of Athens." I think you're projecting a lot more importance and fame onto this guy than he deserves.

And as for the "everyone is a socialist" bit, were you ranting and raving about Bush? Mister Spend to oblivion and more government is better himself? Because No-Child Left Behind is a decidedly more intrusive, less constitutional and bigger program than pretty much anything Obama has been able to actually get implemented. -No fan of Obama or big government liberals. I'd just like to see a little consistency in the hysteria.
 
I know no one will believe me, but honest, I had never heard of this Allinsky guy either.

As to the teaching, thanks to carryover from Bush's "no child left behind" effort, each and every teacher must teach to the Oregon State Standards, which are in turn, a reflection of the National Standards. This applies to every grade. Anyone is welcome to wade through them and search for Marxist rhetoric, but none will be found.

And FWIW, how old are you guys that are still worried about Marxism and such? It's like a broken record. Even the Chinese, the most rabid Marxist dictatorship this side of Albania, have embraced the free market. The Communist specter, an idea that cost millions of lives has proven unworkable, is gone and only is alive in some folk's minds.
 
Maybe after reading this you will like the new liberal Common Core Teaching and values teaching the next generation. Also here are the 24 rules for radicals from Saul Allinsky. I am sure you will reconize some of these from the last 5 yrs. All used to over run the constitution and implement the progressive agenda. LIke it or not it does exist.

Common Core | TheBlaze.com

MatthewVadum.com: Saul Alinsky's 24 Rules for Radicals

If you don't like these sources google your own.
 
Children are being taught that anything gun related is bad, anything, even a pop tart. Is there a hidden agenda or are these people really that foolish?
 
Just because you've never "heard" of Allinsky doesn't mean crap. He didn't "invent" these "rules", he merely codified them so even low-talent community organizers could work their way up...

As for "communism" being dead... That's just an ignorant stance right there. The MOFO's that ran the USSR, GRU, and KGB didn't just fall off the face of the earth, or have a 180* "mea culpa" turn around change of heart... (I used to do counter-Spetsnaz operations once upon a time) They just reinvented themselves and slapped a new label on themselves. They're called "environmentalists", and "progressives" that has DIRECT roots that can be documented in the communist party. (Gorbachev is/was HUGE into Greenpeace.)

It's far easier to get people to do what you want with honey as the bait than it is to use brute force and fear (at first). Everything you see being "fundamentally transformed" has been accomplished with a "nudge", you are starting to see the "shove" stage occur more and more (getting hauled off for speaking up at a public meeting, kids being suspended for playing army at home, etc), after that you will see the "shooting" stage, because as one of BHO's closest friends and advisors said in a speech before acadamia "political power comes from the barrel of a gun".

It's all about the bait you use in the trap, and the techniques you use to drive your quarry into your set snares. It's also easier to sneak up on a sleeping grizzly bear and shoot him in his sleep than to take one who's awake and alert.

As for using CHINA as an example of Communism embracing Capitolism, you forget that the Chinese GOVERNMENT owns all the businesses there, and are using that to fund their massive military build-up and tech upgrades that they've stolen from the West. Once they have obtained their goals and have no further use for the "consumerism" of the West you're ALL going to be in for a very rude awaking... if you live long enough to see it happen, that is.

Meh, believe what you want, ya'll (currently) got clean drinking water, abundant food, central heating, and some electronic gizmos and internet "p0rn-oh" to amuse yourselves with... everything's fine.
 
I asked a couple of teachers about this and they assured me they were not.

Oh boy, that makes me feel better.

However, they would be curious if you could come up with some actual curricula demonstrating otherwise.

I'd be curious if they could come up with actual evidence proving otherwise. It seems like every other week I see a news report where some kid is expelled for drawing a picture of a gun, for wearing a NRA t-shirt, etc.

And FWIW, how old are you guys that are still worried about Marxism and such?

Quit trying to change the subject.
 
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This is only the tip of the iceberg.
A little educational background and those trying to steal America and turn it into their own little controlled tyranny.
Why we must fight back in earnest now, not later. The last couple articles are most enlightening.
This takeover began in the 60's in earnest. It is escalating more by the day now. Time to save ourselves is counting down.
These links are well worth taking the time to understand.
It is far more than a simple teeshirt.

Destroying America

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http://patriotpost.us/alexander/3047



Communism on Parade? High School Marches to Marx and LeninWestern Journalism

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Bill Ayers: Bringing Down America, Destroying Education - Mary Grabar

http://m.townhall.com/columnists/ma...erica-destroying-education-n1596641/page/full



Life under communism | 911justicehalifax.
https://911justicehalifax.wordpress.com/category/life-under-communism/


Why Progressivism/Socialism (Communism in Disguise) Aways Fails and Always Will: A Psychological Perspective | Cultural Survival Skills

http://culturalsurvivalskills.wordp...-and-always-will-a-psychological-perspective/


Christian Students Forced to Pray to Allah, Study Quran, Pledge Allegiance to Afghan Flag

http://politicaloutcast.com/2013/10...ah-study-quran-pledge-allegiance-afghan-flag/
 

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