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NRA basic pistol course okay for concealed carry permit?

Discussion in 'Education & Training' started by scott_see, Apr 30, 2015.

  1. scott_see

    scott_see White Salmon, WA Member

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    Does anyone know if taking the NRA basic pistol course is acceptable for getting a concealed carry permit in Oregon?
     
  2. Fin and Feather Guns

    Fin and Feather Guns Ridgefield Member

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    Clatsop County accepted mine, as it had the NRA instructors number on it... However, that was a dozen years ago, and many things have changed since then. Best bet it to just call the Sheriffs office where you are going to apply and see what they want. Most of the people behind those desk have been very helpful!
     
  3. Monica Cowles

    Monica Cowles Grays Harbor, Washington Member, NRA (Life) USCCA, ACLDN, SAF (Life) Staff Member Silver Supporter

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    It was about 9 months ago, when I took the Basic Pistol instructor's course--the instructor said it met Oregon's requirements...as long as you got the siggy and # of an NRA instructor.
     
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  4. Lange22250

    Lange22250 Milwaukie Active Member

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    Do you mean "will the state accept it as fulfilling the requirement" or "prepare me to competently carry and use a fire arm to defend myself or another person"?

    Yes to the first and in no way shape or form to the second.

    If you are serious, then there are some good schools out there but none of the NRA stuff should be considered among them.
     
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  5. scott_see

    scott_see White Salmon, WA Member

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    I suppose this should have been my first step, but I just called the Sheriff's office in The Dalles, OR, and they confirmed that the NRA Basic Pistol Shooting Course does indeed work for them. Living on a border town like I do, I've got to deal with two states. So this will be great for the people taking my course.

    Lange22250, I totally agree. But it's a good first step. The next step is endless study and practice. I've been shooting for 30 years or so and consider myself still a beginner/intermediate, and perhaps I flatter myself with even that.
     
  6. rick benjamin

    rick benjamin USA, Or, Damascus Secure the drama Silver Supporter 2016 Volunteer

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    Lange;
    Thanks for posting your information. I hope we all reach for the top of the skill sets.
    If it weren't for the NRA setting a standard, there wouldn't be a foundation for all the classes out there.
    I've been shooting for 45 years, and my body can no longer keep up. Just as 3-Gun is getting fun, my
    joints creak and whine, RATS!
     
  7. Lange22250

    Lange22250 Milwaukie Active Member

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    If you are going for a concealed carry permit you are talking about fighting with a gun, that means that the NRA Basic class, or any of their classes intended for non-LEO's have almost nothing to contribute.

    The saying goes "buy once, cry once". If you don't take a decent defensive class you won't even understand what to practice let alone good situation specific techniques or have the legal and tactical knowledge that will help keep you alive and out of prison. So in the end you're wasting money on the initial class because it has nothing to do with what you want to learn, and then practice things that will probably not accomplish what you want.

    The majority of non NRA instructors, civilian and LEO, feel that the NRA curriculum is stagnant and fails to address the demands for the current new wave of firearms owners and users. If you don't think things have change just look at how many people show up to bullseye, high power matches or get hunting licences. Even worse it seems that the majority of NRA instructors fail to take any non NRA classes creating an insular feedback loop that perpetuates the problem.

    The good classes I've taken had nothing to do with any NRA curriculum and we're now at the point that the NRA is chasing new trends in shooting. Making excuses for them does nothing but make it easier for them to stick with the stale old program.
     
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  8. scott_see

    scott_see White Salmon, WA Member

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    I'm not aware of any decent defensive classes in the area. What do you recommend?
     
  9. Mikej

    Mikej Portland Gold Supporter Gold Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    Well I guess, from what Lange up there says, I need to destroy my CCP right away. I haven't taken any special classes to keep my dumb arse from getting in trouble. Come to think of it, I bet I should probably just get rid of the guns I have. One never knows, when I go to the safe next time, I may end up pointing the hole in the end at my face when I pull the trigger. Oh wait, I think I'm supposed to check to see if there's a bullet in it first.....Is that right Lange22250?
     
  10. Monica Cowles

    Monica Cowles Grays Harbor, Washington Member, NRA (Life) USCCA, ACLDN, SAF (Life) Staff Member Silver Supporter

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    Easy there, Mikej....I'm sure he is just tryin' to be helpful....;):)

    https://firearmsacademy.com/

    An excellent series of instruction is available from the team at Seattle Firearms Academy. The instructors all know their stuff and it is organized instruction and practical drills.
     
  11. scott_see

    scott_see White Salmon, WA Member

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    2:20 minutes away from here. Not too bad. But there's another issue at hand. If someone needs a CC permit, how are they to know where to go for training, especially when they don't' even know what the questions are no less the answers? At this point, a newbie only knows they need a piece of paper saying they took a handgun safety course to get their permit. They may not be lucky enough to have someone so knowledgeable as Lange22250 to advise them.
     
  12. rick benjamin

    rick benjamin USA, Or, Damascus Secure the drama Silver Supporter 2016 Volunteer

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    The CC class I attended was based on the NRA Basic course.
    Mostly older couples, without any firearms training.
    NRA Basic raised their skill level with safety, gun mechanicals, do's and don'ts.
    The Instructor added Oregon laws, Kevin Starrett's book (included).

    I may or may not have needed the basic class, but I took it and affirmed it's content.
    Now legally carrying concealed having fulfilled the basic requirements of the law.
    I like to 3-gun.
     
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    scott_see White Salmon, WA Member

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    I had to look up 3-gun, I'd never heard of it. Now that sounds like fun. But all I have are handguns. If I can't stick it in my pants, I have no use for it. :) Love IDPA though. Very Jack Bauer.
     
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    scott_see White Salmon, WA Member

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    But getting back on topic, how is a newbie to know what they need? There's really no way. Unless you take my course in which I teach, "Where to go from here."
     
  15. rick benjamin

    rick benjamin USA, Or, Damascus Secure the drama Silver Supporter 2016 Volunteer

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    Scott;
    This one is in Vancouver, covers WA, OR, UT
    Clackamas County OR for example won't issue to an non-Oregonian
    I don't know about Wasco County. a link with info

    Good luck
     
  16. scott_see

    scott_see White Salmon, WA Member

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    I took Shaun's NRA Instructor Pistol Shooting Course. He's good. I really enjoyed his teaching style. Wasco will issue a permit to someone from Klickitat County. That's what they told me the other day.
     
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    scott_see White Salmon, WA Member

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    So where would you recommend I go to get certified to teach handgun safety?
     
  18. Monica Cowles

    Monica Cowles Grays Harbor, Washington Member, NRA (Life) USCCA, ACLDN, SAF (Life) Staff Member Silver Supporter

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  19. Lange22250

    Lange22250 Milwaukie Active Member

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    The best defensive class I have taken were from Mike Seeklander, he was the head of the revamped Air Mashals firearms program during the build up post 911. Gabe White is also a great instructor, really innovative with a good emphasis on knowing when you can go fast, need to go slow and when to get the hell out of dodge. Both will travel and offer free tuition to the person organizing the class and both really know good technique and can teach it.

    Oregon Firearms Academy is a good basic start based on what the Oregon Department of Public Safety Standards and Training (police academy) teaches.

    I hear good things about Roger's Shooting School and The Firearms Academy of Seattle but have not been to either of them.

    http://pistol-training.com/ is a good resource to research various instructors and schools/classes. Lots of experienced people with lots of different backgrounds and a lot of reviews/after action reports.

    Until you really start getting into the legal, moral and technical issues of what it means to fight with a gun you have no idea how much you don't know. And that can get you dead, in jail or bankrupt. So are a couple of classes too expensive to keep that from happening to you or a loved one? Every good class I take I get some new, smack me in the forehead with a 2x4, epiphany.
     
  20. Lange22250

    Lange22250 Milwaukie Active Member

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    If firearms safety is your only bench mark for carrying and possibly using a firearm in self defense your missing the important parts to keeping yourself out of trouble.

    Can you -
    articulate AOJ/OMI standards for the state you live in along with the use of deadly force and continuum of force laws
    know and articulate what the 21 foot guide line really means as has been established by court
    precedent
    understand what the ramifications of just reaching for or drawing your gun are tactically and
    legally
    understand and evaluate background and articulate the risks
    know what your average draw times really are and what that means concerning the threats proximity and articulate the ramifications
    understand what to realistically expect a threat to do if you do shoot them and articulate the reasons why
    know the restrictions on where and when you can carry
    know what kind of legal representation you should have, the relationship you should have with them and how it's getting paid for
    what you should do post shooting both before and after the cops get there then when to lawyer up.
    know the ramifications of coming to aid of another person and risks associated
    what works and doesn't technique wise

    And those are just the things off the top of my head.

    If you don't understand and can't articulate those things you leave yourself open to all sorts of really bad, life destroying things. When you are up on the stand for a potential criminal case then a civil suit after you defended yourself you can bet that the attorneys will ask you those questions and about where you were trained, then make you look like a reckless vigilante if you can't and your only training was an NRA gun safety class.

    So what's a couple of good classes worth when the downside is that big? Most good classes are fun as well.
     
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