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Now it's "grenadewalker"

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by Mr.B, Oct 14, 2011.

  1. Mr.B

    Mr.B Hippyville Active Member

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  2. deen_ad

    deen_ad Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    I remember seeing this story several weeks ago somewhere.
     
  3. MikeSettles

    MikeSettles Vancouver, Washington Active Member

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    This another red herring: Grenade bodies and pull-rings do not an explosive device make. This is another attempt to pull attention away from the military weapons & explosives being brought into Mexico over their southern border, or by sea from other failed/failing nations.

    Grenade fuses are the important part, not so easily manufactured in your home chemical lab.

    Otherwise, it's easy enough to make a main charge from black powder (or any other home-made explosive) and a tin can.

    If anything, my concern is that we will begin to experience a "reverse migration" of military weapons & explosives via the cartels into this country in order to better arm their minions, and the jihadists, against the police & military (and citizenry) here.

    How do you suppose the Mainstream Media will spin that?
     
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    Buddhalux Hillsboro, Oregon Active Member

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    Have you looked at how an M67 frag is made? It's actually a pretty damn simple design.
     
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    deen_ad Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    I think you need to read the story again!! He had brought in enough materials to make 2,000 grenades, he was observed on two occasions breaking the law to take illegal parts into Mexico and the ATF and FBI refused to prosecute, now he has disappeared.
     
  6. MikeSettles

    MikeSettles Vancouver, Washington Active Member

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    Again: The key to any modern grenade is it's fuse, which is simple in concept but requires a high degree of QC in manufacture. An M67 grenade has a sheet metal body, with serrated wire inside wrapped around the Comp B charge. The M69 Training Practice Grenade is just a hollow cast-iron ball with a threaded fuse-well at one end and a hole at the other. You screw a training practice fuse into the fuse-well to use the grenade. Components are issued separately with the grenade body coming from the Training Aids Service Center on post, and the fuse from training ammo sources. I'm pretty sure that the guy had M68 fuse bodies. You can buy the bodies and expended fuses (and their components) from surplus stores. They look cool on some wannabe's wall, but are entirely inocuous.

    Regarding ATF & FBI losing the guy: Maybe this is another secretly directed effort to disallow Americans the means to defend themselves by making it look to the uneducated as though it's easy to make a high-quality military frag?

    I remember that some of the frags the Mexicans picked up from one or another Cartel had come from South Korea.

    Why would the Cartels, with their billions in cash available, want to buy practice grenade components from the US when they can get the finished items through their sources overseas or south of the Mexican border? Or get real US ones from the Mexican Govt?

    Two possibilities here:
    1. The guy with the practice grenade components was on his own, trying to score with the bad guys by selling them the pieces for a profit. (And being an idiot, he didn't know that the bad guys wouldn't want what he was selling.)
    2. The guy was doing this at the behest of the US Gov (FBI/ATF) to support a scenario similar to what everyone suspects was the impetus behind Fast and Furious: Another federal ban in the works. (And being an idiot, he didn't know that the bad guys wouldn't want what he was selling, and didn't realize that he was a dupe for ATF/FBI.) Red Herring.

    Either way, this makes no sense as a major military weapons procurement operation to supply the Cartels. It just doesn't pass the smell test, same as Fast & Furious.
    The story is only of real interest because the public knows less about real frags than they do about "Assault Weapons".

    Having said all this: I am ASSUMING that the guy (Kingery) had practice grenade components rather than real M67 Frag components. If what he had was M67 Frag stuff, then he MUST have gotten them from US Govt sources, as those are STRICTLY controlled, even in a military setting. Our commanders downrange, being afraid of our own frags, don't like to issue them to the troops. If you hand one to anyone but well-seasoned Infantry or SF, their eyes get very wide and you can hear their sphincters pucker.