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I went to the south salem post office to get info about mailing a shotgun to an ffl in another state. The mail-lady ,or to be non-sexist and politically correct, person-person said no can do. I would have to ship from an ffl to an ffl. She then began to advise me where a local dealer is located and that if I tried to mail it, it could be seized.
My online research says otherwise, but Ill just use UPS.

Pirogue
 
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She's wrong and needs to be retrained or fired.

Aloha, Mark

PS.....from an old post of mine.....

AS A SHIPPER OF FIREARMS

For a quick reference, check these links:

The Gun Zone -- Shipping Firearms

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AS A SHIPPER - THE SHORT COURSE ON SHIPPING FIREARMS

***Declare all firearm shipments***AND***Unless prohibited by your state or local laws***

A Non-FFL Dealer, CAN ship a long gun (rifle or shotgun), via the US Mail or common/contract carrier (Fed Ex, UPS, etc.) to an FFL, back to the factory, or gunsmith, or out of state (to yourself), or to another non-prohibited person within your state.

A Non-FFL Dealer, CANNOT ship a handgun via the US Mail. However, the Non-FFL Dealer, MAY USE a common/contract carrier for handgun shipments…….to an FFL, back to the factory, or gunsmith, or out of state (to yourself), or to another non-prohibited person within your state.

That being said.....as a Non-FFL, I've found it cheaper, to take my handgun(s) to my FFL Dealer (even w/ his fee) and have the handgun(s) shipped via the USPS, registered mail and insured. YMWV.

For an FFL Dealer, a firearm (handgun or long gun) can be shipped by either the US Mail or common/contract carrier.

*The US Postal Service does NOT recognize a C&R Lic. (Collector Lic.), as being the same thing as an FFL (Dealer Lic.).

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The common carriers make their own rules on how they want firearms to be shipped (overnight, same day or whatever). Mostly it's because, they can't trust their employees w/ the possibility of THEFT. The shipping charges can quickly mount.

*THINGS MAY HAVE CHANGED* Because of poor training, some UPS and FedEx employees THINK that shipping of firearms is authorized ONLY between FFLs. That is just NOT true. Speak to the KNOWLEGABLE people. It's also a good idea to have a printed copy of their rules in hand, before going to the shipping center. *THINGS MAY HAVE CHANGED*
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DON’T TRY TO SKIRT THE LAW

Some people, may advise others to ship their firearms in pieces…….”Parts are Parts.” But, note what the BATF says: Frames or receivers of firearms are "firearms" as defined in the law and subject to the same controls as complete firearms.

You Have Been Warned.
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SHIPPING TO AN FFL DEALER, WITHOUT A SIGNED INKED FFL IN YOUR HAND

The shipper/seller, for their protection, needs to verify the receiver is an FFL Dealer. They need to ask for the receiver's FFL Number.
The shipper should then go to this website to verify the license and address: ATF FFL Ez Check Site.
The shipper should print the screen they get.
They can then legally ship the firearm to the receiver, but only at the address verified at the Ez Check Site.
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IF YOU’RE THE BUYER OF A FIREARM (FROM ANOTHER STATE)

Since this is SALE of a firearm, the seller will ship the firearm to your FFL (not directly to you). Once the firearm is at your local FFL, the FFL will record it in his book, he'll be responsible to check you out. Making sure you're not a prohibited person, have followed your local and state laws, have paid the correct fees (if applicable), and of course filled out form 4473.
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SHIPPING ANTIQUES

Under the Federal definition, an antique firearm (as described below) can be sent ANYWAY you like. But, local and state laws may vary, so remember to check them too.

Title 18, Section 921(a)(16) then defines "antique firearm" as follows:

The term "antique firearm" means -

(A) any firearm (including any firearm with a matchlock, flintlock, percussion cap, or similar type of ignition system) manufactured in or before 1898; and any replica of any firearm described in subparagraph (A) if such replica -

(i) is not designed or redesigned for using rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition, or

(ii) uses rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition which is no longer manufactured in the United States and which is not readily available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade."

And, from the ATF site, FAQ............

(A3) Do antique firearms come within the purview of the GCA? [Back]


No.

[18 U.S.C. 921(a)(3) and (16), 27 CFR 478.11 and 478.141(d)]

Advice for shipping an Antique Firearm.......

Ship them via the USPS, registered mail and insured. They are "antique firearms" and therefore are not controlled by the same laws as regular firearms.

c. Unloaded antique firearms sent as curios or museum pieces are
generally permitted as specified in Exhibit 432.1 and DMM C024.2.0.

Taken from the USPS Publication 52.

And, beware: Just because a firearm is a, "qualified C&R Firearm" it's NOT always, an "antique firearm."
 
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I went to the south salem post office to get info about mailing a shotgun to an ffl in another state. The mail-lady ,or to be non-sexist and politically correct, person-person said no can do. I would have to ship from an ffl to an ffl. She then began to advise me where a local dealer is located and that if I tried to mail it, it could be seized.
My online research says otherwise, but Ill just use UPS.

Pirogue


being PC first mistake

as stated above go back and set the mailman straight, because a lie told enough and not challenged becomes the truth.
 
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I ended up shipping UPS at the customer service center. No problems, just had to show recievers FFL copy.
Just for grins though I stopped in at an idependent Postal Service shop in South Salem at the corner of Liberty and Skyline. I asked the owner operator whats involved in shipping a shotgun. He said its the same as shipping anything else no worries mate.
I told him about the refusal I got at the official post office up the road, he was surprised and laughed, then he pulls out this big full colored laminated published by the USPS brochure about safe handling rules. It clearly shows that shotguns and rifles are no problem, their only restriction is on handguns. I know where I will go the next time for sure.
 
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or to be non-sexist and politically correct, person-person
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I am sorry to mention this, but Politically Correct that would have to be, at the minimum Per-girl Per-girl, possibly "Postal Per-Myn" a use of the "Myn" part of Wo-Myn, But there is not enough Coffee in my head, to correlate the KoR Ectal VerB-age, this early in the day!

"You can always tell, a Politically Correctal Hu-Myn, ..... But you Can't Tell them Much"

(This is after thousands of hours of MY own perSONal Therapy, after the youngest of my Children, who is now a Gradiated UniVerCity Master (??? Misteress) of Social Work, informed me, that there are Seventeen Gender Classifications....

I said..."there are Potenially, Three: Male, Female & Confused..." Which brought about a one sided silence that I really appreciated, after a while... That is, my head quit spinning, and stayed in its correct, frontal Location.... :D ;)

philip,

"I've been a Baaaaaaaddd Boyyyyyy, I will go stand inmy corner, again, but for the First time, today...."

"I' back, It does not take me long to stand in the corner now a daiz"
 
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...."The Postal Service is on course to run a $7 billion deficit in the fiscal year that ends in September and, in the process, to run out of cash as it exhausts its line of credit with the U.S. Treasury"....

The losses stem in part from hefty personnel costs not borne by other federal agencies....and now they are begging their lord and master, presidente 0bongo for a bail out. (bless his holy name)
 
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I am sorry to mention this, but Politically Correct that would have to be, at the minimum Per-girl Per-girl, possibly "Postal Per-Myn" a use of the "Myn" part of Wo-Myn, But there is not enough Coffee in my head, to correlate the KoR Ectal VerB-age, this early in the day!

"You can always tell, a Politically Correctal Hu-Myn, ..... But you Can't Tell them Much"

(This is after thousands of hours of MY own perSONal Therapy, after the youngest of my Children, who is now a Gradiated UniVerCity Master (??? Misteress) of Social Work, informed me, that there are Seventeen Gender Classifications....

I said..."there are Potenially, Three: Male, Female & Confused..." Which brought about a one sided silence that I really appreciated, after a while... That is, my head quit spinning, and stayed in its correct, frontal Location.... :D ;)

philip,

"I've been a Baaaaaaaddd Boyyyyyy, I will go stand inmy corner, again, but for the First time, today...."

"I' back, It does not take me long to stand in the corner now a daiz"

I'd just say uninformed, under trained, Ill-mannered postal beeeyoootch.

Brutus out
 
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I went to the south salem post office to get info about mailing a shotgun to an ffl in another state. The mail-lady ,or to be non-sexist and politically correct, person-person said no can do. I would have to ship from an ffl to an ffl. She then began to advise me where a local dealer is located and that if I tried to mail it, it could be seized.
My online research says otherwise, but Ill just use UPS.

Pirogue

Let me guess...... This lady (older, 50-60's) had curly shortish dirty blonde hair, glasses, and an attitude that said she hated her job and hated you even more? If it is this lady she is the worst employee that I have ever come in contact with. Even her co-workers hate her. I would suggest having a conversation with her manager.
 
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I am sorry to mention this, but Politically Correct that would have to be, at the minimum Per-girl Per-girl, possibly "Postal Per-Myn" a use of the "Myn" part of Wo-Myn, But there is not enough Coffee in my head, to correlate the KoR Ectal VerB-age, this early in the day!

"You can always tell, a Politically Correctal Hu-Myn, ..... But you Can't Tell them Much"

(This is after thousands of hours of MY own perSONal Therapy, after the youngest of my Children, who is now a Gradiated UniVerCity Master (??? Misteress) of Social Work, informed me, that there are Seventeen Gender Classifications....

I said..."there are Potenially, Three: Male, Female & Confused..." Which brought about a one sided silence that I really appreciated, after a while... That is, my head quit spinning, and stayed in its correct, frontal Location.... :D ;)

philip,

"I've been a Baaaaaaaddd Boyyyyyy, I will go stand inmy corner, again, but for the First time, today...."

"I' back, It does not take me long to stand in the corner now a daiz"

I always said that there were 3 - male, female and in cases where surgery is involved - it.
Of course it is confused.
 

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