No Rights for those under 21 in Cali now

[Flymph]

no, i want people to be educated about "real life" and not what looks good on paper and how sh!tty it is to have to pay for all the govt handouts. im sorry, but im NOT ok with paying for peoples food stamps when i was the one bagging their groceries then loading it into their brand new range rover while theyre talking on their cell phone. im NOT ok with drug addicts able to get CASH from their EBT cards either.

Food stamps is good in concept, but then you see it in practice and wonder how they could bubblegum it up so badly...

Yeah, i think a much more reasonable thing would be to question the legitamacey of every other age reatriction we have in the books.

Maybe we should extend mandatory use of a car seat to like 16 or something...

 

[Flymph]

Totally understandable sentiments and generally true for many, but I don't believe for a second you being forced to work for ten years well into adult hood without a say in anything is going to turn you into a functional citizen. If anyone did that to me, id be orgnaizing a resistance asap and over throwing that fascist government.

"No Governor Brown, we're machining guitars, not guns!"

 

[v0lcom13sn0w]

Totally understandable sentiments and generally true for many, but I don't believe for a second you being forced to work for ten years well into adult hood without a say in anything is going to turn you into a functional citizen. If anyone did that to me, id be orgnaizing a resistance asap and over throwing that fascist government.

yes, which is why i said "this will never happen" in response to an earlier post. i dont REALLY want that to happen.trust me. my hopes are people just become educated on proposals before voting rather than voting for face value.

 

[Caveman Jim]

I vehemently disagree that 18-20 year olds who are not in police or military service should be denied their constitutional right.

If you think that way you are spitting on the millions and millions and millions of 18-20 year olds who grew up shooting rifles and pistols with their family many from the time they were 4-12 years old. Most of those kids are better shots, respect the tool, and understand firearm safety better than any 'boot' out of basic and many 'trained' adults.

The average 18-20 year old is most definitely equipped to handle this responsibility, just less so in big cities where most are liberals with upbringings that didn't involve any firearm experience.

This 'brain isn't fully developed' argument is complete BS, look at the liberal left today, there are fully grown men and women who despite their ages being past 21 still don't have fully developed brains and are so delusional or moronic that it's a moot point. It's a matter of the individual, not a collective whole based on a particular age group. If gun laws that are already on the books were actually enforced and sentenced accordingly we wouldn't have the constant repeat offender gang problems we do which is the largest source of firearm violence in this country.

Firearms have been owned by 18-20 year olds for the past 240 years in this country and somehow magically in 2018 that age group can't handle that responsibility. What a crock of crap.

My sentiments exactly!!!

 

[notazombie]

yes, which is why i said "this will never happen" in response to an earlier post. i dont REALLY want that to happen.trust me. my hopes are people just become educated on proposals before voting rather than voting for face value.

You mean like Ben Franklin said 250 years ago?
"When the people find that they can vote themselves money that will herald the end of the republic."

 

[v0lcom13sn0w]

As far as age goes we should be giving more responsibility sooner, teaching more civil interaction, full education on the consitution, on voting, how the government actually works, and yes having a job, and teaching good financials health. Learning to safely and responsibily exercise our 2A rights. Im all for teaching more younger.

YES! it seems as if all these phones, forums, social media are making people less interactive with eachother. geeze some people cant even sit with eachother and have coffee for 10 min and actually talk before buring their faces into their phones.

 

[MrMillspecer]

So isn't the legal age to drink alcohol 21 ? And all the sudden you can think rationally ? Ok

Leave it at 18 and give the kids some firearms safety in school. And be a good parent . What' the smarter choice ?

 

[Caveman Jim]

got my 03-A3 at age 10. im 30 now, never killed anyone and still have it. my 4.5YO son became a gun owner the day he was born so...

by the time i was 18 i had a whole handful of guns. my parents and grandparents beat gun safety into me as a young boy. never had one negligent anything.... in only 30 but it seems like the term "different times" apply here.

That is how I was raised in the South & too bad it is not the norm in America nowadays..

 

[notazombie]

So isn't the legal age to drink alcohol 21 ? And all the sudden you can think rationally ? Ok

Leave it at 18 and give the kids some firearms safety in school. And be a good parent . What' the smarter choice ?

Haven't you heard? Parenting is soooo 1970. Now Timmy is your buddy and Suzy is mommy's duck-faced mini-me. Public school teachers are supposed to be raising the childrens. That's what we're spending all that property tax money on.

 

[v0lcom13sn0w]

These generations are also losing out on the value of spending time with their elders and learning a lot of valuablr wisdom to....sigh....youtube celebrities.

im only 30. barely. i feel like im from a different time. just an example, my folks raised me to respect my elders, stand up straight and look a man in the eye when shaking hands. i have 2 young boys. a 4 year old and a 11month old. i hope and pray i can raise them the way my parents and grandparents raised me because they were hard on me at times when necessary and pushed me to work hard for what i wanted. no easy handouts. at times there were rewards but nothing was for free. some of the kids i see these days are spoiled rotten and have no respect for anyone. naturally, i want to give my kids everything but i know when they get a little older, i need to teach them to earn what they want that way they can learn to respect the value of a dollar.

i wish i could have spent more time with both of my grandfathers.

 

[Stomper]

Unfortunatly we are continuing on a path to instant gratification and forgetting the value of earning things, as well as educating ourselves into a full rounded opinion not just what we are told and those around us agree with.

Child labor laws killed summer vacation berry picking for teens.....

YES! it seems as if all these phones, forums, social media are making people less interactive with eachother. geeze some people cant even sit with eachother and have coffee for 10 min and actually talk before buring their faces into their phones.

That would change if there were better looking people to look at.....

 

[MrMillspecer]

Child labor laws killed summer vacation berry picking for teens.....







That would change if there were better looking people to look at.....

Back in Idaho we had a program called rent a kid. You could work under age. I was buckng hay, mowing yards , helping people move , scrapping sheetrock , selling solar heat., landscaping , and a box boy after school and worked at a sucker factory before I was 16. Over 50 now and don't owe my parents or anyone a cent.. And wouldn't ask for help even if I needed it..

Now I see young healthy adults begging for money or handouts. It's a messed up world.

 

[MrRob96]

It is well established the brain is not fully developed as far as the ability to understand consequences of action until early to mid 20's. One can assume LEO or military training helps in this regard. Let's hope so.

bubbleguming what? You're suggesting military training can accelerate development of the brain? I thought pseudoscience was the alleged realm of the far right.

I'm sorry I missed this post for so long. There are a lot of problems with it, and it's so trolly I don't know where to start.

If this post is legitimate, I'd like to suggest the problem that these age restriction laws were supposedly proposed to combat mass shooters because there is a certain profile. BTW that profile was blown out of the water by the two largest mass shootings: Florida and Vegas. As such, more training with firearms obviously is counter to the goal to reduce casualties in mass shooter events.

Finally, the number of fatal accidents with firearms are miniscule compared to actual homicides, which is in itself small compared to suicides. These age restrictions don't address either of those groups where someone logical would start first.

There is an ulterior motive then if the claimed motive doesn't make sense. I don't think I need to go into that topic because it's a well worn path.

As mentioned earlier, there are states with great economic opportunity that agree with your position. In fact there are more of those states than there are states that are freedom minded like Washington. I highly encourage everyone voting to turn Washington into CA/NY/MA/NJ/etc to move back to one of them instead. It's a lot faster path to utopia, I promise.

 

[titsonritz]

LEO's and military both get exhaustive firearms training. Most civilians do not.

Not sure what planet you're from, but here on earth, that's a load a crap.

 

[titsonritz]

Moonbeam shining through.

 

[Wombat of Doom]

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I'm okay with it, with some caveats. Here's why. LEO's and military both get exhaustive firearms training. Most civilians do not. Now any 18-20 year old LEO or military member or other profession with this training should be exempt and able to purchase any legal firearm/ammo. My state {Washington} has no requirement for firearms class or proficiency for purchase other than background check. I understand there are some states that do. I applaud them for doing so.
It is well established the brain is not fully developed as far as the ability to understand consequences of action until early to mid 20's. One can assume LEO or military training helps in this regard. Let's hope so.

The average 18-20 year old is ill equipped for the responsibility of firearms ownership. I'm not talking about the youth who was brought up hunting or with competitive shooting sports. These individuals could challenge a pre-requisite class and successfully perform a proficiency evaluation. And if successful be issued a wallet card or other document, similar to the process of obtaining a drivers license in Washington state. A perfect system? No. A step in the right direction? I believe so.

As always, your comments opinions and constructive criticisms are welcome.

I have owned firearms since age 12. My parents were untrained in firearms and I had no training other than a grandfather who taught me gun safety. I well understood consequences of actions. By 16, I had used guns in home defense twice. No shots were fired. LEOs do not receive exhaustive firearms training, at least according to most LEOs I have known. There are also some I have known I will not shoot with because I don't like being flagged.

Do you propose similar legislation barring free speech until they receive training? Which other of the bill of rights do you seek to neuter?

 

[MrRob96]

Do you propose similar legislation barring free speech until they receive training?

This is second on the leftist's list of items to handle. Look to countries like the UK and Canada to get an idea of what is in store for the first amendment.

Look at the studies being rolled in front of folks that suggest words cause physical harm. Yes, the first amendment will be curtailed very soon.

 

[arakboss]

Ok, I'll Play! 20 year VET, carried a Rifle every damn day, trained to use that rifle the military way on day 25 of basic, and the only time I didn't have that rifle was when I was home on leave! Say what you will, but 17 year olds are far smarter then people think, and the military knows full well the mental capabilities, that's why they accept folks so young, among other reasons!
We have a constitution that says the right to keep and bare arms shall not be infringed, and the States have determined at which age that applies with out conditions! Right now, we still have only a very few conditions on firearm ownership, no felonies, no drug use, and over the age of 18 for long arms and 21 for hand guns, PERIOD, nothing else! Even that is an infringement, but it's a small one compared to a outright denial based on age! Yes, if a kid can fight and die for his country, then that same kid should be afforded the full rights of an adult, no restrictions based on age!

I second this.

 

[DB is Here]

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I'm okay with it, with some caveats. Here's why. LEO's and military both get exhaustive firearms training. Most civilians do not. Now any 18-20 year old LEO or military member or other profession with this training should be exempt and able to purchase any legal firearm/ammo. My state {Washington} has no requirement for firearms class or proficiency for purchase other than background check. I understand there are some states that do. I applaud them for doing so.
It is well established the brain is not fully developed as far as the ability to understand consequences of action until early to mid 20's. One can assume LEO or military training helps in this regard. Let's hope so.

The average 18-20 year old is ill equipped for the responsibility of firearms ownership. I'm not talking about the youth who was brought up hunting or with competitive shooting sports. These individuals could challenge a pre-requisite class and successfully perform a proficiency evaluation. And if successful be issued a wallet card or other document, similar to the process of obtaining a drivers license in Washington state. A perfect system? No. A step in the right direction? I believe so.

As always, your comments opinions and constructive criticisms are welcome.

Curious why our only approach is to further lock down the Rights on the law abiding and little to no talk about actually punishing folks that commit crimes.

Strict sentencing & No plea deals. Just to name a few.

 

[WasrNwarpaint]

Curious why our only approach is to further lock down the Rights on the law abiding and little to no talk about actually punishing folks that commit crimes.

Strict sentencing & No plea deals. Just to name a few.

they started programing your children in place of education and now they will begin to remove their rights knowing there will be little to NO resistance

its the demorat plan take away our rights allow the crims to take over ANARCHICALLY without repercussions as we are already seeing displays of weekly, when the demorat politicians get the power back they will go back to ruining our economy again and then they will all scream "THIS ISNT WORKING" WE NEED SOCIALISM TO STOP THE CRIME AND MAKE THIS A BETTER PLACE

democracy is in its death throws, when there is no longer a peaceful transfer of power there is no democracy!