No more school cops in Portland?

[FortRock]

Community policing...

 

[arakboss]

I don't want to spoil everybody's lunch but the police abolitionist movement envisions an unarmed form of community intervention to solve disputes (i.e the neighbor rapes and murders one of your children like Jessica was), they will assist you and your neighbor with working through the issue peacefully.

Jessica Marie Lunsford (October 6, 1995 – February 27, 2005) was an American nine-year-old girl from Homosassa, Florida, who was murdered in February 2005. Lunsford was abducted from her home in the early morning of February 24, 2005, by John Couey, a 46-year-old convicted sex offender who lived nearby. Couey held her captive over the weekend, during which she was raped and later murdered by being buried alive. The media extensively covered the investigation and trial of Couey.


They are not seeking to duplicate what many Mexican communities have done to deal with corrupt police and criminals. You can be sure that their ideas will include disarming society and don't ask me how they would accomplish that.

Edit: I almost forgot but there are no prisons in Police Abolitionist Land so if you and your rapist/murderer neighbor agree that he needs to face some justice for raping and killing your child he will be subject to restorative justice:

Restorative Justice

Also known as reparative or transformative justice, these models represent an alternative to courts and jails. From hippie communes to the IRA and anti-Apartheid South African guerrillas to even some U.S. cities like Philadelphia's experiment with community courts, spaces are created where accountability is understood as a community issue and the entire community, along with the so-called perpetrator and the victim of a given offense, try to restore and even transform everyone in the process. It has also been used uninterrupted by indigenous and Afro-descendant communities like San Basilio de Palenque in Colombia for centuries, and it remains perhaps the most widespread and far-reaching of the alternatives to the adversarial court system.

 

[Geardo]

Also that communities may resort to volunteer police forces, which of course would be untrained or very poorly trained, exacerbating problems rather than solving any.

Ever seen Sharia Police? Those guys are brutal!!! Whacking heads, administering beatings, making any arrest for any reason, and the Sharia Court has stoning available as a penalty.

Sounds like it might solve some problems honestly.

The libertarian in me would love to see neighborhoods hiring private security, or volunteering for patrols themselves. Give citizens more power and responsibility to keep themselves and their communities safe.

 

[bbbass]

Sounds like it might solve some problems honestly.

The libertarian in me would love to see neighborhoods hiring private security, or volunteering for patrols themselves. Give citizens more power and responsibility to keep themselves and their communities safe.

I have no problem with most private security, but many are incompetent, bullies, or Paul Blart types, etc. How does that make things any different than with city hired police forces. IMO it has the potential to be worse. Imagine Blackwater Inc in control of your neighborhood. Plus private security generally doesn't have the legal authority to enforce the law. They are basically just like you and me, except they get paid. They have the power of citizens' arrest, which, as we know, is very tricky.

If citizens want to do more to keep themselves safe, they can arm themselves. Which more an more people are doing already. If people want to help keep their communities safe, they can already volunteer for Neighborhood Watch or start one. Which I generally approve and support. But I can guarantee you that that is not going to replace the services that a professional police force provides to a neighborhood, and society in general.

Libertarian, let us not forget that it is WE that vote for city leaders, who then hire the city mgt, and then the city mgt hires a police commish, and then that org hires and trains the police. Therefore, the police is us! If we don't like what is going on with our individual police or police depts, WE must demand change that goes up as far as it needs to go. Not disband the system we set up. Note: I'm not saying that is what you have suggested.

You spur a thought: IMO, libertarian does not mean that people get to do whatever they want. That we live in a society w/o laws or rules. That is anarchy and chaos, not libertarianism. (Again, I'm not saying that is what you have suggested.) What it does mean is that the representatives of society create and operate a govt, a needed/necessary aspect of any civilization, that features the most freedom for the most people while infringing in the least amount, especially not interfering where people are doing no harm to each other. Societies must allow the most individual freedom while maintaining that freedom for the masses. The continued Covid lockdown is totally against those ideals and practices. It should be obvious to any thinking person that it cannot be prohibited to be on the beach in healthy sunlight, especially if getting exercise, but okay to be shoulder to shoulder protesting because protesting police brutality is an approved cause.

I'll get off the soapbox now...

 

[ma96782]

What did the poor firefighters do to deserve this??

Rrrrrright......because......

"It's not the Fireman who comes to take your Daddy away in handcuffs."

Aloha, Mark

 

[kbf64]

All the more reason to homeschool

 

[WAYNO]

And homeschooling is what the schools hope for? Saves the schools a ton of money? My presumption...



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[Geardo]

I have no problem with most private security, but many are incompetent, bullies, or Paul Blart types, etc. How does that make things any different than with city hired police forces. IMO it has the potential to be worse. Imagine Blackwater Inc in control of your neighborhood. Plus private security generally doesn't have the legal authority to enforce the law. They are basically just like you and me, except they get paid. They have the power of citizens' arrest, which, as we know, is very tricky.

If citizens want to do more to keep themselves safe, they can arm themselves. Which more an more people are doing already. If people want to help keep their communities safe, they can already volunteer for Neighborhood Watch or start one. Which I generally approve and support. But I can guarantee you that that is not going to replace the services that a professional police force provides to a neighborhood, and society in general.

Libertarian, let us not forget that it is WE that vote for city leaders, who then hire the city mgt, and then the city mgt hires a police commish, and then that org hires and trains the police. Therefore, the police is us! If we don't like what is going on with our individual police or police depts, WE must demand change that goes up as far as it needs to go. Not disband the system we set up. Note: I'm not saying that is what you have suggested.

You spur a thought: IMO, libertarian does not mean that people get to do whatever they want. That we live in a society w/o laws or rules. That is anarchy and chaos, not libertarianism. (Again, I'm not saying that is what you have suggested.) What it does mean is that the representatives of society create and operate a govt, a needed/necessary aspect of any civilization, that features the most freedom for the most people while infringing in the least amount, especially not interfering where people are doing no harm to each other. Societies must allow the most individual freedom while maintaining that freedom for the masses. The continued Covid lockdown is totally against those ideals and practices. It should be obvious to any thinking person that it cannot be prohibited to be on the beach in healthy sunlight, especially if getting exercise, but okay to be shoulder to shoulder protesting because protesting police brutality is an approved cause.

I'll get off the soapbox now...

All good points, but I already ordered my baton, pepper spray and flex cuffs, so I am basically PO PO now right? Is that not how this works! ?



I would never want police totally disbanded. As you are right, that is anarchy. And I have had nothing but great reactions with Sheriffs in Clark County.

However I can't help but think both instances I had to call them, it was CYA to cover my own butt legally, and it was a waste of there resources. Nothing I could not have dealt with on my own.

The ideal thing to me would be relying more on citizens and neighborhoods to provide security and limited enforcement with some legal protection. I am not sure how this would really work. Maybe label them volunteer police. Clark County actually does have a great resource for this that I have looked into in the past. But I don't want to patrol high crime areas, I just want to keep my little slice of heaven safe.

It does pose challenges with mob rule in an area. Just thinking.

 

[CLT65]

And homeschooling is what the schools hope for. Saves the schools a ton of money.

My understanding was that it's the other way around. The schools receive federal funds based on enrollment numbers. For individual schools, homeschooling takes money away from their budget and hurts them financially.

Homeschoolers and private schoolers pay double though. We pay taxes that support public schools, and we pay for private/home school expenses.

 

[titsonritz]

Chronically Absent Students Cost County Schools Millions

https://www.washingtonpost.com/post...urt-learning-and-make-schools-more-dangerous/

 

[WAYNO]

My understanding was that it's the other way around. The schools receive federal funds based on enrollment numbers. For individual schools, homeschooling takes money away from their budget and hurts them financially.

Homeschoolers and private schoolers pay double though. We pay taxes that support public schools, and we pay for private/home school expenses.

But the state is constantly bombarding the airwaves with public service announcements encouraging home schooling. There has to be a win for them in doing so.

I have gone to the Oregon Dept of Education website, and funding information for home schooling is conspicuously absent.


I suspect information is purposely kept scarce. My wife is a retiree of the school district, and I just asked her how homeschooling is funded. Even she believed the homeschooling programs were paid with school-tax dollars. At the same time, I do see private programs that are paid via private tuition.

I guess they don't want us to know.

Lastly, I must ask, since all the kids have now been thrust into home schooling, parents are required to pay all expenses, in addition to school taxes? That is difficult for me to imagine.

 

[arakboss]

Kids need to get on board with telling school district to keep SROs in the schools. Unless of course the kids are all cop haters now too.

 

[titsonritz]

Kids need to get on board with telling school district to keep SROs in the schools. Unless of course the kids are all cop haters now too.

Not going to happen. When was the last time you heard of a kid that was pro-authority?

 

[CLT65]

But the state is constantly bombarding the airwaves with public service announcements encouraging home schooling. There has to be a win for them in doing so.

I have gone to the Oregon Dept of Education website, and funding information for home schooling is conspicuously absent.


I suspect information is purposely kept scarce. My wife is a retiree of the school district, and I just asked her how homeschooling is funded. Even she believed the homeschooling programs were paid with school-tax dollars. At the same time, I do see private programs that are paid via private tuition.

I guess they don't want us to know.

Lastly, I must ask, since all the kids have now been thrust into home schooling, parents are required to pay all expenses, in addition to school taxes? That is difficult for me to imagine.

The current "distance learning" is simply public school social distancing. There are also some public school supported home-schooling programs using public resources and curriculum. Traditional home schooling is a bit different. You have your own curriculum and do your own thing, separate from public schools. You also are completely on your own, as far as the financial cost of schooling. You have occasional state testing to ensure academic standards are being met, but otherwise you're left alone. Each state is different.

Home schooling has proven itself over the last few decades. Home schooled students consistently outperform their public school peers academically, and integrate into society with no less difficulty than their more socialized peers. The key of course is parental involvement, and home schooling is not for everyone. If your kid is in public school and you're an involved parent, they'll most likely turn out fine there as well. There are advantages and disadvantages to weigh on both sides.

 

[arakboss]

Not going to happen. When was the last time you heard of a kid that was pro-authority?

That's too bad because SROs can make a difference.

Maryland school officer stops armed student who shot 2 others

A 17-year-old male student shot two other students at Great Mills High School in Maryland on Tuesday morning before a school resource officer engaged him and stopped the threat, according to St. Mary's County Sheriff Tim Cameron.

www.cnn.com

‘Hero’ officer stopped Florida school shooter in 3 minutes, sheriff says

A school resource officer is being praised for his taking quick action to stop a Florida school shooting Friday morning.

wreg.com

Quiet Warrior: How a school cop stopped a would-be mass shooter

School Resource Officer Mark Dallas put a stop to a gunman’s attack on his school before anyone was hurt, but he doesn’t consider himself a hero

www.policeone.com

 

[fishpoem]

The underlying mistake - and it's a potentially lethal one - is allowing ideology to shape policy. The MSM, Democratic Party, and the universities have succeeded in tainting reality with ideology and emotion. Most of my college-educated white "liberal" friends have rigid, closed-minded, ideology-based beliefs that are not amenable to open examination. OrangeMan bad. Guns bad. Cops bad. White males even worse. Were these simple-minded stereotypes applied openly to blacks or women, the protests would be deafening. While Leftists like to stereotype opponents as Nazis, it was in fact stereotypes of Jews that led to the Holocaust.

The elimination of police, something now advocated not just by lunatic Leftists but by elected Democrats, is a pure Bolshevist tactic. Eliminate the Thin Blue Thin, and the general population is now at far greater risk - and, therefore, far more vulnerable to being terrorized by groups like Antifa. While removing police personnel from the schools satisfies current liberal mythology, it leaves children more defenseless than they were before. Too many parents no longer discipline their kids. Thus, for some youngsters, social media and peer pressure become surrogate parents. The result is escalating levels of anxiety, depression, and alienation. And it's the angry, alienated kid that will plan and carry out classroom executions. Absent an armed officer, no one is there to stop him or her.

Liberal-minded educators seem oblivious to the risk that lax child rearing, low expectations, and constant social media immersion pose to child mental health. It's not just a matter of having armed personnel in the school. If a kid doesn't play sports, attend a church, or have a stable male presence at home, a kindly teacher or police officer may be the only exposure to a trustworthy male authority figure that child has. Leftist liberal ideology is no substitute.

 

[arakboss]

The underlying mistake - and it's a potentially lethal one - is allowing ideology to shape policy. The MSM, Democratic Party, and the universities have succeeded in tainting reality with ideology and emotion. Most of my college-educated white "liberal" friends have rigid, closed-minded, ideology-based beliefs that are not amenable to open examination. OrangeMan bad. Guns bad. Cops bad. White males even worse. Were these simple-minded stereotypes applied openly to blacks or women, the protests would be deafening. While Leftists like to stereotype opponents as Nazis, it was in fact stereotypes of Jews that led to the Holocaust.

The elimination of police, something now advocated not just by lunatic Leftists but by elected Democrats, is a pure Bolshevist tactic. Eliminate the Thin Blue Thin, and the general population is now at far greater risk - and, therefore, far more vulnerable to being terrorized by groups like Antifa. While removing police personnel from the schools satisfies current liberal mythology, it leaves children more defenseless than they were before. Too many parents no longer discipline their kids. Thus, for some youngsters, social media and peer pressure become surrogate parents. The result is escalating levels of anxiety, depression, and alienation. And it's the angry, alienated kid that will plan and carry out classroom executions. Absent an armed officer, no one is there to stop him or her.

Liberal-minded educators seem oblivious to the risk that lax child rearing, low expectations, and constant social media immersion pose to child mental health. It's not just a matter of having armed personnel in the school. If a kid doesn't play sports, attend a church, or have a stable male presence at home, a kindly teacher or police officer may be the only exposure to a trustworthy male authority figure that child has. Leftist liberal ideology is no substitute.

They are slow marching us towards the world the police abolitionists desire. The seeds are being planted with actions like prison reform, decriminalization, gun control, citizen oversight committees and now the increased pressure to defund police departments.

You can eliminate every police position in the country but somebody else will do something that pisses people off and starts another riot cycle.

 

[fishpoem]

They are slow marching us towards the world the police abolitionists desire. The seeds are being planted with actions like prison reform, decriminalization, gun control, citizen oversight committees and now the increased pressure to defund police departments.

You can eliminate every police position in the country but somebody else will do something that pisses people off and starts another riot cycle.

None of that is either spontaneous or accidental. It is entirely the work of "democratic socialists" (a total contradiction in terms.) It takes MONEY to orchestrate so many simultaneous riots, and it takes careful coordination for every Democratic mouthpiece in America to propose getting rid of cops all at exactly the same moment. George Floyd, a guy with a criminal record as long as your arm, is merely the excuse to torch it off. These aren't "protests." It's the beginning of something far more serious. I've seen it upfront and personal somewhere else long ago and know where it's headed. Scratch a social democrat, find a militant communist.

 

[wired]

Kids need to get on board with telling school district to keep SROs in the schools. Unless of course the kids are all cop haters now too.

Kids telling the schools they want to keep SRO's? Really? I dont really remember anyone loving cops, or even slightly liking them when I was a kid . OK. We pretty much all hated them when I was a kid too.

 

[Hawaiian]

Should have kept the school cops to protect the kids and cut the gang violence units to let the gangs all shoot each other. Hey, you hate cops, fine we will pull them from your neighborhoods to accommodate you wishes.