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No charges in Seattle police shooting of wood carver

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by Dave Workman, Feb 16, 2011.

  1. Dave Workman

    Dave Workman Western Washington Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Case clearly not ‘closed’ in ‘Seattle woodcarver’ shooting

    Today’s announcement by King County Prosecutor Dan Satterberg that criminal charges will not be filed against Seattle Police Officer Ian Birk in the Aug. 30, 1010 shooting death of woodcarver John T. Williams will leave many people doubting the criminal justice system, and it is clear that this case is still not "closed."

    Case clearly not

    Or try this:

    Case clearly not
  2. Redcap

    Redcap Lewis County, WA Well-Known Member

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    Figures. The "Thin Blue Line" lives on.

    Anyone else getting tired of this bubblegum?
  3. supergenius

    supergenius 206 Active Member

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    Makes me sick to my stomach. That pile of fail of a cop needs to go to prison. Anyone else on this board would have
  4. yotehunter

    yotehunter north west Active Member

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    I am sick of this. This proves cops get away with murder.
  5. Scott

    Scott Battle Ground Well-Known Member

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    This I have to agree with as there are different sets of laws for people. I am in the crappy set and hope I never find out. Ahhhhh the justice system is wonderful!!!!!!!!!!!
  6. dmancornell

    dmancornell Portland, OR New Member

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    Apparently "professional courtesy" goes all the way to absolving murder.

    In related news, a civilian victim who got rammed by a tax-eating cop is being charged with criminal assault: http://www.laweekly.com/2011-02-10/news/officer-down-in-redondo/

    I'm sure if Williams had lived he would be charged with assault as well.
  7. Buddhalux

    Buddhalux Hillsboro, Oregon Active Member

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    What this tells me is that I now have to defend myself from police as well since they could murder me and get away with it.
  8. Bazooka Joe

    Bazooka Joe Lower Yakima Valley Well-Known Member

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    The officer in question has resigned, but still faces internal inquiry.
    Seattle Times
  9. DeathRattle

    DeathRattle Portland Metro Area Member

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    State of Oregon v. Oliphant

    Oregon Judicial Department Appellate Court Opinions

    Oregon recognizes your right to defend yourself from brute cops.

    Like this:
    I'm drunk and I'm driving. Cops pulls me over, and attempts to make an arrest, but I fight back.

    I just resisted arrest, and that is not Lawful.


    If I'm a woodcarver, innocently walking down a public street with the tools of my trade, and a cop rushes me at gunpoint.... I could fight back.
    Last edited: Feb 17, 2011
  10. shotgun-2

    shotgun-2 south snohomish co. wa. Member

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    On top of this special treatment of a cop, our state legislatures are trying to put thru a bill to have a Blue Alert (like the amber alert) system to help protect cops, hey what about the rest of us?
    While most cops are good people, if their powers and special protection is left unchecked, we will soon have a "Jack Booted, para-military police force here. Everyone with any authority in this state ie. park ranger, game agent, dog catcher, & etc. now gears up like a SWAT member and have broad police powers over the public. We are fast becomming the type of nation we have always fought against in the past.
  11. Father of four

    Father of four Portland, Oregon Well-Known Member

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    More shame and less accountability.
  12. mjbskwim

    mjbskwim Salmon,Idaho Well-Known Member

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    I said it in another thread about this.
    The officer may in fact have feared for his life.He wasn't cut out for the job.
    He needed to resign.
    Not sayin his actions were forgivable in any light.Just saying HE MAY HAVE FEARED for his life.Making him not good for a police officer.

    Remember guys,this kid,somehow,passed all the requirements to become a cop.
    The only thing they can't really test them on is a REAL LIFE situation like this. Maybe if he had a partner,he wouldn't have shot. Maybe he was thrown to the "wood carvers" too soon.

    I have never felt at risk of my life downtown Seattle.With or without my gun or work tools.

    This poor kid f*u*cked up.Now he and his family have to live with it.

    Again,I don't believe he was justified in killing this man.
  13. mattg521

    mattg521 portland.,or Member

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    Yup. Makes people question the good cops too.
  14. clearconscience

    clearconscience Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    Well the sad truth is LEOs are facing a more dangerous job every year. Heck everyday.
    Criminals aren't afraid of our justice system and jails are only houses to help improve the criminal mind and make people more heartless and hateful. Along with that mental diseases ar on the rise and police have no way of dealing with these kinds of problems.

    As sick as it is we've gotten to a point where whoever shoots first wins.

    Look at how many Police officer's have been gunned down this year compared to years before.
    Believe it or not our country has been building a war for years and that war is coming to a head. Where your either on the good side, or the bad.
    As most of you know in war good people die. Did the cop jump the gun? Yes. Does he deserve to spend the rest of his life in jail, Heck no.
    If you think you can do better then go do it! Or you have no right to condemn this guy.
    Go walk around downtown at night, go to china town, go to killingsworth and stroll through the parks. And tell me you don't want more cops out there.

    It's easy to say he was wrong, or police are abusive, or they shoot too soon when you have a job where you can be assured your safe. Try dealing with the worst of society everyday and knowing most of the people you dealing with would kill you and not feel any remorse.

    If someone was walking through my yard at night with a knife, I would shoot them. I wouldn't wait for them to make a move, or take the chance of them getting at my family.

    But your right, the LEOs get treated better than we do. And that's the problem, we should be able to protect ourselves and our families as the LEOs get to in these dangerous times.
  15. clearconscience

    clearconscience Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    Officer's killed by gunfire in the line of duty by year.

    So far in 2011-13 where will we end up this year?
  16. Martini_Up

    Martini_Up NW USA Well-Known Member

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    Got a link to your numbers? I have 38 for 2008 and that was the lowest number since 1956.... so to start your numbers in 2008 seems to me suspect, an attempt to show a trend up for some reason?

    In any event, officers shot in the line of duty, while tragic, has nothing really to do with this thread... unless you think a cop gets a pass at shooting citizens because of irrational fears for their lives? Where's your statistic showing how many officers shot unarmed citizens? That may be more in line with the topic of this thread....
  17. VW_Factor

    VW_Factor Woodburn Oregon Active Member

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    What does this have to do with woodcarvers being shot?
  18. Spad

    Spad Kennewick,WA, the desert side Active Member

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    Interesting to see all the self indugent cop haters on this site. So ready to rush to judgement. Listened to the "Chief" of Seattles P.D on the the boobtube and heard the the statement the officer didn't follow procedure and identify himself as a policeman. What a sad state of affairs,do you think driving up in a patrol car, wearing a police uniform isn't enough to identify yourself. My point is the cover your tail administrators are laying the groundwork already for thier salvation of any wrong doing hiring this person. The Thin Blue line is out there 24/7 covering our fannies, this fellows future is going to be a horrid mess, why the "First Nations of Canada" are in there stirring up the pot, If I recall you can't have a gun in Canada anymore, they don't have any rights up there. But the mob has taken to the streets. So all you cop haters, get in your car and join the mob and forget about laws. Let the system work its way thru this. Spad.
  19. SteelyDan

    SteelyDan Junction City Active Member

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    Don't have to be a cop hater to question when public servants take the life of civilians. It should ALWAYS be questioned thoroughly! When government has unquestioning ability to dispose of the citizenry then we are all screwed.
  20. dmancornell

    dmancornell Portland, OR New Member

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    Hah, let the same system that callously let a murderer off the hook and apply double standards for cops against civilians. Translation: shut up and fund our pensions.

    Interesting that you argue this dirtbag's "life is ruined" and that seems to be enough punishment and that's the price to pay for the "Thin Blue Line". If that's the price to pay then I don't want this so-called "protection" funded with tax money extracted with the threat of imprisonment.
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