No AR-15 used in conneticut shootings feds say

[1stIDFMP]

You mean "until each and every person who believes in conspiracy theories has an epiphany of reason, there will be doubts."

Sorry, there are still people who doubt that Obama was born in the USA (including quite a few on this forum) - in spite of multiple releases of his birth certificate, and verification from the director of the Hawaii Department of Health Vital Records and the (Republican) governor of Hawaii that they had personally seen the original birth certificate in state archives. To say "there will still be doubts" is like the stupid-*** reporters who ask horrendously leading questions, then append "But I'm only asking questions..."

I'm not sure what "actual evidence" the Sandy Hook conspiracy theorists would accept... If video surveillance was released, they'd claim it was edited or faked. If a suicide letter was found, they'd claim it was planted. If every single person who was in the school at the time publicly released matching (but differently-worded) statements, they'd claim they were in on the conspiracy.

Sorry, but unless the conspiracy theorists can provide proof of the conspiracy, I will disclaim them out of hand. The burden is not on those who espouse the reasonable answer - the burden is on those who espouse the UNreasonable hypothesis. The burden of those who claim "government conspiracy" is on them to prove the conspiracy.

Is this proof enough?..........

 

[CHLChris]

You can't be serious. A news clip from the day after the event (which has been circulating for weeks by "truthers") is not evidence.

I don't understand, Hahns. News from the Newtown, CT, medical examiner is that no .223 was used in any murder. But Feinstein tried to draw a picture of those young children getting shot with a Bushmaster. Unacceptable from a senator.

 

[Norm0931]

Violent murderer training tools.

There are billions of people worldwide who've played violent video games and not gone on murderous rampages. This is the EXACT same argument the antis use against guns. "Well he had a gun, so he had to go murder!" "Well, he had a video game with guns in it, so he had to go murder!" bubblegumty parenting is what causes this crap. Parents don't spank their damn kids anymore when they act like bubblegum heads. BE A PARENT and your kid won't turn out to be a bubblegumin psycho. If that means you gotta use the Bible, or the Koran, or the whatever, then fine. If you can be a parent without religion, more power to you. Just be a parent and don't let you kid be an bubblegum. PROBLEM SOLVED.

 

[rsmccsman]

(AR-15) NOT Used in Connecticut School Shooting

HMM...... IMAGINE THIS, OUR GOVERNMENT ACTUALLY LYING TO US ??

So.... they finally had to come out and admit it, now that the Coroner has released some info along with Police. An AR-15 Rifle or the so-called "Assault Weapon" was not used in the school shooting. The shooter even tried weeks earlier to buy a Rifle but was turned down in the background check. So he had to kill his Mother to steal her rifle. There were initial reports right after the shooting, that Police found the AR-15 Rifle in his car, NOT IN THE SCHOOL. The Rifle was not used. The Shooter went into the school with 4 handguns. Not an Assault Rifle as the media has charged. I remember in the initial hours of this shooting, the Police said they found the Rifle in the car. But the News Media had a Pre-Planned Attack already waiting, to ban so-called assault weapons and jumped on that line of reporting, knowing it was a lie. Including people like Piers Morgan who said the shooter used an AR-15 that shoots hundreds of rounds per minute, as if it were a machine gun. Could it be that the Liberals/Progressives and their Media were pushing for the new law, hoping they could do it, before the Coroner released the info. I'm betting on it.



Investigation is 'very complex' - Video on TODAY.com

 

[EMNofSeattle]

This was an initial report.

The CT State Police have announced that the rifle was uncovered in the school.

Lieutenant Vance, the official spokesman for CSP has stated this many times. the initial news reports were wrong.

the very video you cited was factually incorrect. they repeated the claim that Lanza was denied a purchase, no one blocked lanza from buying a gun, Lanza didn't want to wait 14 days to get the rifle. if he had put off his plans until january he'd have had his own rifle.

The ME has stated publically that .223 were the bullets that struck the kids as well. the tin foil doesn't make us look credible to say the least.

 

[HahnsXD]

What is with truthers and their physical inability to see the date for that video?


This garbage has been posted multiple times.

 

[Just Me]

We're not starting another conspiracy thread, are we?

TODAY | Aired on December 15, 2012

Investigation is 'very complex'

 

[MountainBear]

I don't much care for conspiracy theories either. That being said, I don't have one doubt that certain elements in the government would lie to the American Public to advance their political policies...

I don't think we'll ever know exactly what happened in Connecticut with the exception of 28 people being dead (26 at the school, the mother, the shooter) and the fact that it is a tragedy regardless of the tool used...

 

[Just Me]

... I don't have one doubt that certain elements in the government would lie to the American Public to advance their political policies...

How about all of them?

 

[ocarolan]

Who Cares?

Every time we bring up this hoax theory, we validate the anti-rights movement. We're implying "If an AR-15 had been used, then it would be OK to take away our rights. But it wasn't."

Wrong. An individual has the rights to his property, regardless of the "greater good" to society. I wouldn't care if a dozen AR-15s were used in Sandyhook.

Engaging people this way just reinforces the utilitarian frame. Reject that frame and explain to people that individuals matter, not a bureaucrat interpreting the best for society.

Or have them read this. http://harelbarzilai.org/words/omelas.txt

Let's stay productive and win over undecided people. This stuff may be true, but it puts your credibility at risk for no benefit.

 

[10 Spot Terminator]

You guys don't hesitate to say that the media is lying to you unless it's about the pieces of news that are removed for being totally inaccurate, at which point, IT'S THE TRUTH.

And to the attacks that suggest the medical examiner is a complete liar simply because he says "uh" repeatedly. You obviously don't get out much and are completely brainwashed by the news which has you hook line and sinker into believing THEY are the only reality. You're average person, especially someone who makes a living quietly dissecting bodies, has no obligation to you or anyone on earth to be the best public speaker. If you have a degree in the criminal psychology of speech patterns, then screw me, my bad, otherwise, grow up and get real.

Ignore the entire context of my post, forget the timeline in regards to the sequence of events as well as what the experts say in regards as to human behavior theorys and all is well with the world. This was the same theory the people who lived in Auschwitz and as well as in Dachau followed in the persecution and murder or millons of jews in the 2nd world war. Nobody told us therefore it didnt happen. Question nothing and turn a blind eye. Dont question anything for yourself and instead just blame others. I am quite grown at 58 years of age and done alot and seen alot that you most likely will never know. I have been asked to turn a blind eye several times in my lifetime by those you believe to be so honest and trustworthy. Life is all about choices. If you choose to go forward believing all you are told and not to form an opinion your own on what you know to be fact then so be it. Far be it for me to deny you your rights as an American citizen. Nothing personal just how I see things. This is America and all have the right to be wrong just not the right to do wrong.

 

[Kevatc]

Who Cares?

Every time you bring this up, you validate the anti-rights movement. You're implying "If an AR-15 had been used, then it would be OK to take away our rights. But it wasn't."

Wrong. An individual has the rights to his property, regardless of the "greater good" to society. I wouldn't care if a dozen AR-15s were used in Sandyhook.

Engaging people this way just reinforces the Socialist frame. Reject that frame and explain to people that individuals matter, not a bureaucrat interpreting the best for society.

Or have them read this. http://harelbarzilai.org/words/omelas.txt

Let's stay productive and win over undecided people. This stuff may be true, but it puts your credibility at risk for no benefit.

I care because the truth matters. When 6 week old info is presented as if it is "breaking news" and the poster is unwilling to do a little verification and fact checking not to mention just a miniscule amount of looking around for a date on the video the credibility goes out the window.

To those who give a darn: facts matter and so does your credibility and the credibility of the pro-2A argument. Quit posting crap like the OP that has been all over Facebook and emails. DARN IT ALL TO EFFING HECK .... FACTS MATTER. CREDIBILITY AND FACTS WILL WIN THE ARGUMENT. Wanna look like a whacko? Post inaccurate info. Be just like the media.

Holy crap! This isn't rocket surgery folks.