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Newtown Panel: Register All Guns, Serial Numbers on Ammo

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by etrain16, Feb 18, 2015.

  1. etrain16

    etrain16 Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Well it shouldn't be all that surprising, but CT is again going down the worst possible path. A panel is recommending that all guns should be registered and all ammo should have serial numbers on them. In addition, a 10-round max restriction on magazines with no grandfathering of existing magazines. Expanded and more restrictive licensing requirements, testing requirements (and re-testing). So much for the 2nd amendment in the "Constitution" state.

    One paper praised the report, but even they acknowledged the proposed restrictions would have "had little impact" in preventing the SH shooting. Little impact? How about zero impact - absolutely nothing! We all know by now that all the guns used were obtained legally, with background checks, by a law-abiding citizen. Registration wouldn't have stopped it. Serial numbers on bullets wouldn't have stopped it. Magazine restrictions wouldn't have stopped it.These types of restrictions are only effective against one type of person - law abiding citizens. Criminals, as we all know, don't follow rules or laws. Restrict ammo to serialized only - they'll get it from someone who brings it from out of state.

    I would have to say these folks are either irretrievably stupid, or really do have a control the public kind of agenda. This is just nuts. If you enjoy crazy, read on.

    Here is the text of the article - the link to the original is below:

    A special commission set up by Connecticut Gov. Dannel P. Malloy after the Sandy Hook shooting may include a number of recommendations in its final report from registering all firearms, to tracking ammo, and screening owners.

    The 16-member Sandy Hook Advisory Commission, established two years ago following the December 2012 Newtown incident in which 20 children and six adults were killed, will consider its final draft report Friday. The expansive 256-page document includes some 95 recommendations on mental health, the physical security of schools, and most controversially, guns.

    “We’re balking at taking the next step, which is literally taking the guns out of the hands of bad people,” commission chair Hamden Mayor Scott Jackson told the CT Post.

    Besides previous recommendations to prohibit both the sale and possession of any firearm capable of holding 10 rounds or more without the provision to grandfather guns, included in interim reports, the final draft calls for any shell casing for ammunition sold in the state have a serial number etched on it for tracing purposes.

    Next, all firearms should be registered and ammunition buyers would be restricted to only the caliber chambered for their licensed guns. Those who have firearms licenses, stresses the report should at every renewal pass a test of firearms handling capacity as well as an understanding of state and local laws.

    The editorial board of the CT Post published a piece praising the commission for its “courageous” recommendations, while admitting that some of the more controversial ones would have actually had little impact on the event that led to the panel’s creation.

    “We support the concept of firearm registration, though that would not have prevented the deaths of 20 first-graders and six educators in Sandy Hook because the shooter used weapons legally bought and owned by his mother,” reads the op-ed.

    In addition to registration, the report recommends that, “Any person seeking a license to sell, purchase or carry any type of firearm in the state should be required to pass a suitability screening process.” The process would not be limited to mental health diagnoses as noted by the panel as, “certain individuals are not suited to own, possess, or use firearms.”

    Finally, the commission’s draft contains recommendations that judges should be given the power to order temporary confiscations of gun, ammunition and carry permits from a person who is the subject of a restraining order. That is where registration and bullet tracing would go hand in hand.

    Members of Connecticut’s delegation to Congress to include Democrats Sen. Richard Blumenthal, Sen. Chris Murphy and Rep. Elizabeth Esty thanked the commission for its work and promised to assist with legislation.

    “We will continue to fight for these commonsense measures that would deprive murderers of the key means of massacre, provide law enforcement the additional tools they have sought to enforce the laws on the books, strengthen school security, and fix our broken mental health system,” read a statement released by the lawmakers.

    The final report is expected Feb. 14.


    This article is from Guns.com You can find the original article here: http://www.guns.com/2015/02/13/newtown-panel-all-guns-should-be-registered-all-ammo-serial-numbered/
     
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  2. RVTECH

    RVTECH LaPine Well-Known Member

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    WEll, I have often wondered when and where some liberal nutcase would propose this. Took longer than I thought actually.
     
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  3. etrain16

    etrain16 Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    I also thought is was interesting that they propose you are limited only to the caliber chambered for their licensed guns. I'm assuming they're going after caliber change barrels/kits and, I also assume swapping uppers on a multi-cal lower for AR's.

    I forget, did the SH shooter swap his upper during the even and start shooting another caliber? :confused:

    Honestly, where the heck did they get this stuff?
     
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  4. RVTECH

    RVTECH LaPine Well-Known Member

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    I suspect there are 'discussion groups' and 'think tanks' of liberal suburban women who sit around and think this stuff up and somehow it gets channeled 'uphill' to 'panels' due to the probable influence and affluence of these women who are no doubt connected in political circles. Probably starts off in book club gatherings.
     
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  5. etrain16

    etrain16 Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    It would be interesting to see the actual makeup of the group. Might be very telling if you load a commission up front with anti-gun folks.

    The residents of CT can only hope that these recommendations won't be turned into legislation due to the downright foolishness of the recommendations.
     
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  6. Mr.B

    Mr.B Hippyville Active Member

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    Shall not be infringed! How do people that can't understand four words expect to solve anything?
     
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  7. bolus

    bolus Portland Gold Supporter Gold Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    I read through the section on mental health care in the report. One conclusion is that mental health care is terribly underfunded especially on the level of medicaid. They gave the example of hospitals loosing $800 a day for every inpatient mental health patients because of how low reimbursement is.

    What is frustrating is that they have to know that it is this bad. Its this bad everywhere since medicaid is a federal program and the lowest reimbursement rates. They offer all these lofty recommendations of how it will get better.

    well its not. Not when the medical director of one of Oregon's medicaid program comes to our office to get upset at us because of how much money our patients are costing them. But then offers zero help for us doctors. How we just added millions of medicaid patients with the affordable care act but we are loosing specialists who take the insurance because of how low it pays. There has been zero improvement in mental health care, especially among medicaid patients. It is worsening. My colleague, a family practice doctor, just got a referral from the only local mental health clinic to evaluate a patient for multiple personality disorder. The psychiatrist sent the patient to the primary care doc for treatment.

    So here is the deal. we have a significant problem with mental health disease in this country. Care for it is significantly underfunded and honestly, not very good when it is covered.

    It will always be easier for the politicians to try and restrict guns rather than look at the real issue. So expect this to continue. Crazy people will continue to shoot up schools, mental health treatment will worsen, and politicians will try and take guns away as the solution. Yes, Restrict the size of mags you douchebags. that will fix everything :mad:
     
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  8. John H

    John H Whatcom County Well-Known Member

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    Which is technically illegal, but that wont stop them.
     
  9. etrain16

    etrain16 Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    I was thinking along these same lines. They seem to be turning a blind eye to the real problems. I don't know how to get them to see that.
     
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  10. Koda

    Koda Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter 2016 Volunteer

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    Stop spreading the antis agenda, the newtown guns were stolen in cold blooded murder. Period.

    This is the very excuse the anties are using to push for registration etc and its a lie.
     
  11. etrain16

    etrain16 Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    I never said they weren't stolen. What I said was that they were obtained legally by the rightful owner. It still makes the point that background checks would not have stopped the shooting.

    You may want to switch to decaf before accusing me of furthering the anti-gun agenda. That's laughable.
     
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  12. Koda

    Koda Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter 2016 Volunteer

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    Yeah, sorry about that I know your not anti gun. Didnt mean to come across like that.
     
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  13. etrain16

    etrain16 Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    No worries. It just comes across odd to me if someone accuses me of promoting anti-gun ideas. I think I see your point in your post - of course he stole them. But they were in the home legally, proving the BGC could not have prevented the tragedy. I think their whole plan is based on faulty information, just feel good measures that won't do a thing to stop these kinds of events.
     
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  14. Stomper

    Stomper Oceania Rising White Is The New Brown Silver Supporter

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    See, the thing is... you get a law on the books declaring who is a "prohibited person", you know, REAL dirt bags that none of us would have problems with getting prohibited.

    Then after a while the categories of prohibited persons gets expanded... to say ANYONE who is a military veteran, because they may suffer from PTSD doncha know.

    Then that list grows to include certain political positions, because constitutionalist are mentally defective and dangerous doncha know.

    Then expanded to certain social or religious positions, because not wanting to make/sell a wedding cake for a homosexual marriage is mentally defective doncha know.

    Keep in mind however that it can cut both ways, left and right.
     
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    donaldc Seattle Active Member

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    I'm all for it!! On the condition that the people that proposed this and MDA pay for all additional costs forever! Until that happens, it's just an attempt to raise the cost of ammunition to the point where people simply give up shooting - making it easier for them to ban guns (remember, the fewer people that shoot, the easier they are to ban!)
     
  16. Classic

    Classic Federal Way WA Well-Known Member

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    I can see the reloaders now... "How in the heck am I supposed to put a number on my bullet???"
    Reloading is the only way! Buy a Dillon before CT tries to outlaw them!
     
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  17. ZigZagZeke

    ZigZagZeke Eugene Silver Supporter Silver Supporter 2015 Volunteer

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    This is the heart of the problem. These mass shooting massacres have one thing in common. Every one of these shooters had people close to them who tried to get mental health treatment for them and failed. The problem has nothing to do with guns. If there were no guns on the planet these people would be using swords, baseball bats, or pressure cookers.

    As a former mental health professional I have seen the system from the inside. It worked in 1965. Do you remember all those mass shootings before 1965? If you asked yourself, "What mass shootings?" you've identified the problem. In the late 60's, with pressure from the ACLU for "patients' rights", and funding pressure from fiscal conservatives (e.g. Ronald Reagan) we set about dismantling our state and federally funded mental health systems. I said at that time that we would see increasingly heinous crimes being committed by people who shouldn't be on the streets. Fifty years later, here we are. Most of the present day shooters would've been locked up in mental hospitals before they could do any damage in 1960. Today those hospitals don't exist. Instead we try to remove all the "sharp objects" from the world in order to make it "crazy proof".
     
  18. ZA_Survivalist

    ZA_Survivalist Oregon AK's all day.

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    All of that sounds VERY illegal.

    A non grandfathering ban without compensation is a vilation of the constitution. If an item was legal when purchased you A. Have to lurchase the item from the person AT FAIR MARKET VALUE or B. Grandfather it in.

    That wouldnt stand a chance.

    Serializing ammo?
    Its far too costly and a bureaucratic and paperwork nightmare. Many companies have refused due to the cost involved. Not to mention The implications of wrongly accused individuals by criminals stealing someones once fired brass and leaving it at a crime scene..that has yet to be seen in the court but I bubbleguming guarantee you it will not hold up either.

    These seem like pipe dreams from the antis.
    Worst case scenario is they ban certain types of firearms limit magazine capacity and perhaps have a state type assault weapons ban a little more strict than before.

    Licensing for firearms is illegal under a few cases right? Many of those cases thrown out of court because ownership of a firearm is a granted right through the constitution NOT a privilege..
     
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